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Feds Arrest Producer Of Controversial Anti-Islam Film On Probation Violation Charge
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http://www.thesmokinggun.com/buster/feds...ula-578341

I guess if you dig deep enough you can come up with something to hang on someone Shrug
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#2
No surprise. There is no such thing as free speech anymore. Webster really needs to change the spelling of "Justice" to what it really is today "Just-Us".
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#3
I guess he shouldn't have violated probation.

Justin
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I am (or I try to) embrace freedom of speech, despite my opinion of its value. HOWEVER, I cannot understand "stirring the shit" to see how bad you can make it smell. In my opinion, if you see someone doing something you don't like, you have two choices: 1) respect his/her right to do it, if it doesn't infringe on your rights, or 2) create a shit storm and make yourself a target for radicalism.

WTF?

Create a video - or a book, like ol' Salman Rashdie - what...to get a hit put on you? Please...
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Cherokee60;14966 Wrote:I am (or I try to) embrace freedom of speech, despite my opinion of its value. HOWEVER, I cannot understand "stirring the shit" to see how bad you can make it smell. In my opinion, if you see someone doing something you don't like, you have two choices: 1) respect his/her right to do it, if it doesn't infringe on your rights, or 2) create a shit storm and make yourself a target for radicalism.

WTF?

Create a video - or a book, like ol' Salman Rashdie - what...to get a hit put on you? Please...


This is bullshit. Nobody cares about free speech when people play nice together and don't say anything controversial. It's when people stir the shit that the protection of free speech comes into play. Not saying this guy was right, in stirring the shit, but YOUR ability to do so is what the right is for.

Maybe I'm misunderstanding you, but it raises my hair on end when people use the "I agree with the freedom of speech except for..." bullshit defense its like that USA Today article I posted up the other day. Its like this hate-speech crap I read about all the time. What the fuck is hate speech? It's subject to anyone's interpretation. It's a slippery slope. How long before criticizing the president is hate speech?

It's people who push the limits of what is acceptable and our protection of them that keeps our free speech from being eroded. There is shouldn't be a "however" when talking about free speech... ever...
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#6
Perhaps you misunderstand me.

I agree with his right to disparage and defile anything he wants, but if he gets a punch in the schnoz when he does, and he's dealing with Neanderthals, he may be able to predict the outcome, right or wrong.
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Cherokee60;14987 Wrote:Perhaps you misunderstand me.

I agree with his right to disparage and defile anything he wants, but if he gets a punch in the schnoz when he does, and he's dealing with Neanderthals, he may be able to predict the outcome, right or wrong.

Sometimes you have to risk a punch in the nose to stand up for what you believe in. The fact that society has made criticizing religion off-limits has been a net negative for the world and we'd be better off if people would be honest about the absurdity and danger of unsupported religious beliefs especially regarding radical Islam.
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Deal_me_in;15092 Wrote:
Cherokee60;14987 Wrote:Perhaps you misunderstand me.

I agree with his right to disparage and defile anything he wants, but if he gets a punch in the schnoz when he does, and he's dealing with Neanderthals, he may be able to predict the outcome, right or wrong.

Sometimes you have to risk a punch in the nose to stand up for what you believe in. The fact that society has made criticizing religion off-limits has been a net negative for the world and we'd be better off if people would be honest about the absurdity and danger of unsupported religious beliefs especially regarding radical Islam.

I would agree if you suggest that ALL religious beliefs, not just Islam. All religions should be subject to the same scrutiny. The Greeks would have thought Christians, Jews, Buddhists, Muslims and every other monotheistic religion are just as crackpot as you think Zeus and Aphrodite are today, and the Egyptians would have thought the Greeks' polytheistic gods were also equally as invalid...and on and on and on. We've had ten thousand years to get the story straight and we still can't agree and still try to kill each other over it. That's the sickest joke of all. Nobody has the whole true story, maybe just a bit or a piece here any there and any person who claims to have it all has the greatest hubris of all.
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Emoticon made a clearer statement than I...good job.

I personally don't like the idea that millions and millions of people have, and will continue to die because "my God is cooler than your God". I eschew religion, and the outspoken religioso, and truly think - despite what any "Holy Book" (why they're called that is beyond me - books are written by MEN, not the Gods) that your, my or ANY other person's religion should be THEIR business...NOT mine. I don't wanna know. Really.

(Not sure how to emphasize without "caps", not angry, just trying to show my strength of feeling.)

If we ALL decided to be "okay" with any other person's idea of religion, without having to convert them to our way of thinking, and to just be "humans, first", I think we'd have had far less bloodshed in just the last 80 years.

Ask yourself...what do Jews, Muslims, Christians, Shintos, Buddhists, Hindus, Roman Catholics, Protestants, Moderates, Conservatives, Liberals, Libertarians and all the other groups have in common?

They think their way is the "right" way.
With cheese, Grommet.
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Cherokee60;14987 Wrote:Perhaps you misunderstand me.

I agree with his right to disparage and defile anything he wants, but if he gets a punch in the schnoz when he does, and he's dealing with Neanderthals, he may be able to predict the outcome, right or wrong.

Physical assault is still illegal. Perhaps if those actions were punished more stringently, people would understand that violence toward free speech is not acceptable.

Don't like what the man has to say? Stop listening . . .
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