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Feds Order School to Ban Packed Lunches Without Doctor’s Note
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Emoticon;122966 Wrote:The food allergy thing is a major annoyance to me. What the fuck is causing this? When I went to school there was nobody of the 1,500 of us in the high school who would die if they sniffed a peanut butter sandwich. Further what is with this movement whereby we put the needs of the minority ahead of the needs of the majority. If your kid will die from a PB&J then fine, let them eat in the nurse's office, but no instead we have to punish everyone else.

It might be a major annoyance to you, but it's worse for the child who might die. My grandson has life threatening allergies to peanuts, nuts, and eggs, and major allergies to at least 10 other items. There is no history of food allergies in either family and allergic symptoms showed up as early as 3 months in response to things his mom had eaten before feeding him.

He's been in daycare, and she provides his food, but it is difficult for the teachers as they have to be sure to wash hands, tables, and chairs of the kids who eat some of the things he can't have. Peanut butter residue can provoke a reaction. One room is designated as the no-peanut room, but still, my grandson has been taught to avoid food and situations and to alert the teacher. He will not eat anything other than his own food without an adult actually checking a label.

He is being homeschooled because it would be impossible to guarantee his safety in a public setting as they can in a private daycare (for the time in which his parents' work schedules overlap). Not every family has this option, though.

Quote:I would bet a dollar to a doughnut that the private entity that run's the schools privatized and monopolized cafeteria entity are behind this banning of home packed lunches more than anything else. They know they have a captive market in the school and they just want to jerk the parents by forcing their kids to eat their sub-par food. You damn well know the advocate for the privatized cafeteria is probably the cousin of the school super's cousin Earl is probably being supplied with endless kickbacks in exchange for subjecting families to their blatant bullshit.

The more this kind of shit happens the more I'm thinking my wife and I better job homeschooling kids when we finally decide to have them to stop them from being zombified. It's pathetic how kids today can go through the entire system and somehow not manage to learn to read.

This is a STATE issue, not a FEDERAL issue. This is a STATE nutrition program to meet the needs of preschoolers who are at risk for poor nutrition. The children do not have to pay extra for the food; it is part of the program. Preschool is not a required part of education, so these parents chose to enroll their children. They knew the rules, or should have.

I thought most of you guys preferred the states to have the control?
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#12
If my child had a life threatening allergy, then I homeschool rather than put their life in someone else's hands. If the parent doesn't have the option, then they need to figure one out, because it's unfair to have an entire school revolve around one persons allergy.

With that said, I try to be mindful of it and avoid nuts if I'm making food for a large group. But still.....
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RugerGirl;123067 Wrote:If my child had a life threatening allergy, then I homeschool rather than put their life in someone else's hands. If the parent doesn't have the option, then they need to figure one out, because it's unfair to have an entire school revolve around one persons allergy.

With that said, I try to be mindful of it and avoid nuts if I'm making food for a large group. But still.....

I take it you did notice that my daughter IS homeschooling? And thanks for being mindful of the nut issue.

As for "one person" - it isn't just one. My friend who has been a school nurse for years is finding herself dealing with more and more allergic reactions than she ever had to. It's a real issue, and while I don't believe that we should make everyone pay for the problems of a few, there has to be a balance.
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mingomom;123077 Wrote:
RugerGirl;123067 Wrote:If my child had a life threatening allergy, then I homeschool rather than put their life in someone else's hands. If the parent doesn't have the option, then they need to figure one out, because it's unfair to have an entire school revolve around one persons allergy.

With that said, I try to be mindful of it and avoid nuts if I'm making food for a large group. But still.....

I take it you did notice that my daughter IS homeschooling? And thanks for being mindful of the nut issue.

As for "one person" - it isn't just one. My friend who has been a school nurse for years is finding herself dealing with more and more allergic reactions than she ever had to. It's a real issue, and while I don't believe that we should make everyone pay for the problems of a few, there has to be a balance.

I did notice, I was just commenting about the part about others not having the option...

Privatizing schools would help so many things, including this issue.
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Even if that is the case my comments still stand.

mingomom;123039 Wrote:It might be a major annoyance to you, but it's worse for the child who might die. My grandson has life threatening allergies to peanuts, nuts, and eggs, and major allergies to at least 10 other items. There is no history of food allergies in either family and allergic symptoms showed up as early as 3 months in response to things his mom had eaten before feeding him.

He's been in daycare, and she provides his food, but it is difficult for the teachers as they have to be sure to wash hands, tables, and chairs of the kids who eat some of the things he can't have. Peanut butter residue can provoke a reaction. One room is designated as the no-peanut room, but still, my grandson has been taught to avoid food and situations and to alert the teacher. He will not eat anything other than his own food without an adult actually checking a label.

Question, if your concern is with child safety... Is it easier to crowd control a cafeteria of 300 or so kids and what they bring from school and what they bring for lunch (maybe against the rules because they like whatever and don't give a shit)? Or is it easier to take the kids with food allergies and make a controlled environment in an unused classroom? You could even use a bio lab with it's own sink. It's a fools errand, like trying to keep drugs out of prison.

C'mon we all know this whole no packed lunches thing is bullshit and just there for a kickback or so one kid can feel one iota better about his or herself at the expense of EVERYONE else!!!! It's like making all of the kids in your school wear sunglasses because you have a blind kid going to school there and you don't want him to stand out....even though everyone knows he's coming from a mile away with the cane tapping around and he doesn't care one way other the other. We sit there and make everyone else to bend over cater to the one thing that makes a kid "special"... and then we also wonder why they all turn out to be self entitled pieces of shit once they enter the workforce now....Huh.........Shrug go figure! Who da thunk it?

Quote:He is being homeschooled because it would be impossible to guarantee his safety in a public setting as they can in a private daycare (for the time in which his parents' work schedules overlap). Not every family has this option, though.

The more this kind of shit happens the more I'm thinking my wife and I better job homeschooling kids when we finally decide to have them to stop them from being zombified. It's pathetic how kids today can go through the entire system and somehow not manage to learn to read.

This is a STATE issue, not a FEDERAL issue. This is a STATE nutrition program to meet the needs of preschoolers who are at risk for poor nutrition. The children do not have to pay extra for the food; it is part of the program. Preschool is not a required part of education, so these parents chose to enroll their children. They knew the rules, or should have.

I thought most of you guys preferred the states to have the control?

Change the school superintendent to the acting secretary of the board of education and change the catering outfit to a place with a contract with the state SSDD (or level in this case).
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ExcelToExcel;122972 Wrote:If you wonder why some kids leave school without knowing how to read.. Some kids are just stupid and lazy. Most people are mediocre, few are "special".


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When I went to school here in PA outside the city when I graduated high school I would say pretty much everyone in my class even the kids who didn't graduate knew how to read on some level. You HAD to read in class or you got sent to the principals office, so there wouldn't be any hiding it if you couldn't read because that would only work for so long. If I had gone to school in downtown Camden NJ on the other hand..., but ill leave that there. Nowadays if a dunce in your class can't read you just have to let him sit there learning nothing like a dumb shit rather than single him out and send him to the principals office where they might actually find out "hey this kid can't read!" and keep him after school to solve the problems. Now kid's feelings are more important than education.
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#17
Everyday I rub peanut oil on my hair as a conditioner and routinely rub my hands through my hair before I shakes someone's hand or open a door.

If you have an allergy to something that's routinely used in society it is your responsibility to protect yourself not society. Do I feel bad that someone is allergic to peanuts or cotton? Hell yes, that sucks big time. Do I think I have to wear polyester and not eat peanuts and stand on my head yo protect them? Hell no.

I'm eating my shell fish and cooking my fries in peanut oil. I'm sorry you got screwed but if we ran around eliminating anything and everything that people are allergic to there would be a lot of dead dogs and cats and we'd be limiting societies functionality.
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#18
When I had my cake business, occasionally I had parents frustrated that I could not give them a nut free cake. I would explain that my kitchen was not set up for it (nuts and peanut butter in use occasionally, and peanut oil is difficult to clean enough to remove all trace of allergen) and that I didn't want the liability of their child's death on my hands.

Same thing if I was out doing a cake show and I would say the samples could not be guaranteed allergy-free.

I always felt bad for them but never really got why they had to have an attitude about it (the parents). I would think they would be thankful I wanted to help keep their child safe. (And some were of course).
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If they want nuts in their cake they can go somewhere else. my consern is rather youre licensed to make food in your kitchen, working with a food certified oven, have a food certified refrigerator and have routine health inspections /sarcasm..oh and from grocery store to your food certified refrigerator you better be using a certified refridgetated transport vessel. /sarcasm again.
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RugerGirl;123134 Wrote:When I had my cake business, occasionally I had parents frustrated that I could not give them a nut free cake. I would explain that my kitchen was not set up for it (nuts and peanut butter in use occasionally, and peanut oil is difficult to clean enough to remove all trace of allergen) and that I didn't want the liability of their child's death on my hands.

Same thing if I was out doing a cake show and I would say the samples could not be guaranteed allergy-free.

I always felt bad for them but never really got why they had to have an attitude about it (the parents). I would think they would be thankful I wanted to help keep their child safe. (And some were of course).

Your comment about peanut oil is why peanut butter is banned in so many schools. It's difficult to clean if you're an adult, but impossible if kids transfer it from surface to surface, including desks.

Most people I know who deal with food allergies really don't want to buy a cake anywhere. We've found this really good recipe for egg-free, soy-free cake that turns out to be a favorite of several family members without allergies. Now we have another child who can't eat wheat. That's a whole new way of cooking with other flours, but we're learning! Yeah, we usually bring our food with us when we travel as a family. Restaurants are a nightmare, because they often change ingredients or suppliers.
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