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Firing an AR-15 Pistol From the Shoulder Using SIG’s Brace is A-OK
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Quote:BREAKING: ATF Confirms Firing an AR-15 Pistol From the Shoulder Using SIG’s Brace is A-OK

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SIG SAUER are the guys who make the now infamous pistol arm brace for AR-15 pistols that looks remarkably like a stock. And works kinda like a stock. A really, really crappy stock. Anyway, there has been much chatter on the internet about whether the ATF will get their knickers in a twist about people misusing the arm brace and subsequently change their minds on the legality of the whole thing. Thankfully, the ATF has just released a letter clarifying their position and confirming what we’ve been saying this whole time: the arm brace is here to stay. Thanks to SIG SAUER for sending it along, read it after the break . . .

Dear Sgt. Bradley:

This is in response to your communication dated January 24, 2014, to the Bureau of Alcohol, tobacco, Firearms and Explosives (ATF). Your e-mail was forwarded to the ATF Firearms technology Branch (FTB), Martinsburg, West Virginia, for reply. In your note, you ask about firing an AR-15 type pistol from the shoulder; specifically, if doing so would cause the pistol to be reclassified as a Short Barreled Rifle (SBR).

For the following reasons, we have determined that firing a pistol from the shoulder would not cause the pistol to be reclassified as an SBR:

FTB classifies weapons based on their physical design characteristics. While the usage/functionality of the weapon does influence the intended design, it is not the sole criteria for determining the classification of a weapon. Generally speaking, we do not classify weapons based on how an individual uses a weapon.

FTB has previously determined (see FTB #99146) that the firing of a weapon from a particular position, such as placing the receiver extention of an AR-15 type pistol on the user’s shoulder, does not change the classification of a weapon. Further, certain firearm accessories such as the SIG stability brace have not been classified by the FTB as shoulder stocks and, therefore, using the brace improperly does not constitute a design change. Using an accessory improperly would not change the classification of a weapon under Federal law. However, the FTB cannot recommend using a weapon (or weapon accessory) in a manner not intended by the manufacturer.

We thank you for your inquiry and trust the foregoing has been responsive.


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I was JUST about to post this.

Sweet shit!!!
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Good, because it looks to me, that the brace on the MPX would be perfect and I wouldn't need to SBR it. Smile

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Talk about the perfect truck gun.

Justin
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So, now what about the SB47???
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JustinHEMI;139908 Wrote:Good, because it looks to me, that the brace on the MPX would be perfect and I wouldn't need to SBR it. Smile

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Talk about the perfect truck gun.

Justin

That's pretty sweet.

This is good in lots of ways(until one is used in a crime and the antis catch wind of it). People who live in states who don't allow SBR's now have options and those who don't want to have their fingerprints in the system too.

There's always that "don't have to pay extra taxes" thing too but I'm not sure if it would be wise to admit that you were trying to evade paying taxes...

I feel like NFA people don't like things like this and bump fire stocks. Probably would make me mad that I wasted 6 months waiting for paperwork and had to pay more for basically the same things.
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Why does it sound like a letter like this is just 'poking the bear' and just asking for them to reconsider it. Granted, they said it's ok now, but that doesn't mean they'll revisit the issue later.
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streaker69;139930 Wrote:Why does it sound like a letter like this is just 'poking the bear' and just asking for them to reconsider it. Granted, they said it's ok now, but that doesn't mean they'll revisit the issue later.

I agree and I've read quite a bit of comments on various forums calling for clarification but reluctant to find out the answer out of fear it's not what they wanted to hear.
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(04-04-2014, 08:56 AM)Mr_Gixxer Wrote: I feel like NFA people don't like things like this and bump fire stocks. Probably would make me mad that I wasted 6 months waiting for paperwork and had to pay more for basically the same things.

I've wondered the same thing. I don't feel that way with mine but you have to think somewhere out there somebody is seething. On the off chance the topic of fully legalizing new manufacture machine guns ever came up I could see collectors fighting against it for sure.
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In case anyone wants to download and print a copy of the full letter to keep in their range bags...

http://www.scribd.com/mobile/doc/216207869?width=639
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streaker69;139930 Wrote:Why does it sound like a letter like this is just 'poking the bear' and just asking for them to reconsider it. Granted, they said it's ok now, but that doesn't mean they'll revisit the issue later.

LOL Mr. Glass Half Empty. They are cheap enough if it's ever overturned but until then it seems a great option for those with a AR pistol wanting something on its butt.

I found them a bit uncomfortable to be used as a stock when testing one at a gun show.
Dave, proudly annoying members of pa2a.org since Sep 2012.
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