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For Close-Range Shooting, Assume the High Ready Position
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Quote:For Close-Range Shooting, Assume the High Ready Position
Posted 5 days ago in Shooting, Survival by Dr. John
I had my first concealed carry epiphany several years ago. I was in an off downtown area of the city in a high traffic area at a gas station just off a main travel artery. As I was pulling the gas pump handle out of the tank cap of my vehicle and turned around to hook it back up to the pump, I bumped into a disheveled man that had crept up behind me. I mean nearly touching me.

I instinctively stuck out my arms and shoved the guy away and chewed him out for coming up on somebody like that. Later it occurred to me, what if he had had a knife or gun and was intent on robbing me? I was not prepared. And even if I had had a concealed gun would I have been ready to effect the High Ready shooting position needed for really close quarter’s encounters?

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With the guy that close it is already too late to draw and get into high ready. Imo, hand to hand combat should be utilized.
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Uinta Firearms;166946 Wrote:With the guy that close it is already too late to draw and get into high ready. Imo, hand to hand combat should be utilized.

Yep. It is never a bad thing to be prepared for when one doesn't have access to - for whatever reason - a firearm.

I have several other critiques of this position, such as the time needed to get into it. If you need this position because of distance/time, it seems to me like one wouldn't have the time to raise the arm. Instead, why not shoot from just outside the holster, if at all?
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I'm always in full 360 mode at gas pumps. I don't care how paranoid I look, lol.
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(06-23-2015, 07:01 PM)rmagill Wrote:
Uinta Firearms;166946 Wrote:With the guy that close it is already too late to draw and get into high ready. Imo, hand to hand combat should be utilized.

Yep. It is never a bad thing to be prepared for when one doesn't have access to - for whatever reason - a firearm.

I have several other critiques of this position, such as the time needed to get into it. If you need this position because of distance/time, it seems to me like one wouldn't have the time to raise the arm. Instead, why not shoot from just outside the holster, if at all?
Time is the main concern in referring to. If somebody is so close that you have to push them off they ate also close enough to put their hand on your firearm as you attempt to come out of holster. Even with your hand on the firearm, should they get their hand on your forearm it is now no longer your firearm. At best it is jointly yours and theirs. At worst, it becomes theirs, and the means by which you die. Imo, with somebody that close, if your firearm is concealed, keep your firearm concealed. If you are able to create enough space to be able to deploy, then do so. Creating distance from a threat is wise.
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In that situation, why not just draw down on him with the gas nozzle. Nobody would be fool enough to pull the trigger after they've been doused with 87 octane.
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Agreed.

That being said, there are a few situations I can think of where c drawing v is appropriate at the moment, but the b.g. is too close for a normal stance, like the tueller drill.
Uinta Firearms;166978 Wrote:
(06-23-2015, 07:01 PM)rmagill Wrote: Yep. It is never a bad thing to be prepared for when one doesn't have access to - for whatever reason - a firearm.

I have several other critiques of this position, such as the time needed to get into it. If you need this position because of distance/time, it seems to me like one wouldn't have the time to raise the arm. Instead, why not shoot from just outside the holster, if at all?
Time is the main concern in referring to. If somebody is so close that you have to push them off they ate also close enough to put their hand on your firearm as you attempt to come out of holster. Even with your hand on the firearm, should they get their hand on your forearm it is now no longer your firearm. At best it is jointly yours and theirs. At worst, it becomes theirs, and the means by which you die. Imo, with somebody that close, if your firearm is concealed, keep your firearm concealed. If you are able to create enough space to be able to deploy, then do so. Creating distance from a threat is wise.

Rik Bitter;166994 Wrote:In that situation, why not just draw down on him with the gas nozzle. Nobody would be fool enough to pull the trigger after they've been doused with 87 octane.

Beçause that makes too much sense and shifts the focus from a technique to a mindset discussion. Tongue
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das;166940 Wrote:
Quote:For Close-Range Shooting, Assume the High Ready Position
Posted 5 days ago in Shooting, Survival by Dr. John
I had my first concealed carry epiphany several years ago. I was in an off downtown area of the city in a high traffic area at a gas station just off a main travel artery. As I was pulling the gas pump handle out of the tank cap of my vehicle and turned around to hook it back up to the pump, I bumped into a disheveled man that had crept up behind me. I mean nearly touching me.

I instinctively stuck out my arms and shoved the guy away and chewed him out for coming up on somebody like that. Later it occurred to me, what if he had had a knife or gun and was intent on robbing me? I was not prepared. And even if I had had a concealed gun would I have been ready to effect the High Ready shooting position needed for really close quarter’s encounters?

- See more at: http://www.alloutdoor.com/2015/06/18/clo...iSg1r.dpuf


Is drawing a pistol to the high ready position the best solution to this problem? I don't think so; and, yes, I've been there and done that. In my opinion you were, also, too quick to go for that gun. (The ownership of which could have been easily disputed.)

Did you forget that you have two perfectly good feet! Personally, I'd have been looking to increase the distance between us by leaning my torso away from him rather than trying to reach for a gun at such extremely close quarters! (A distance you have correctly deduced to be knife fighting distance!)

The first thing I'd want to do is get him off me; and for than, if I didn't deflect his leading shoulder, I'd have, probably, used a low kick (under the gas hose?) to the shins. Then, I might have gone for my gun.

In a situation like that you've got to protect your hands and forearms first; and you've, also, got to get your torso away from him. At the very least do anything you can to force him to reach out for you if he's going to continue invading your space. That way you'll be able to deflect his hands and forearms away from you, rather than the other way around.* (How'd he ever get so close? Were you birdwatching?)


* Always remember that there's more to self-defense - especially CQB self-defense - than simply reaching for a gun. (This comes to you from more than 30 years of study in the martial arts.) 'To a man with a hammer all problems are nails!' Big Grin
L'enfer c’est les autres, et les choses terribles qu'ils font!'  -  Jean-Paul Sartre  
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First thing I thought of was creating distance immediately, like Stinger said. A body shove and then moving around to the other side of the vehicle while preparing to draw and shouting to get back.
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