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Franklin Armory Binary Firing System *Popcorn Ready!*
#11
Mr_Gixxer;171741 Wrote:I think it's defined by a single function of the trigger, not for each pull. Thus, this is legal. For now.

Another reason why a crank gatling gun isn't a full auto.

Depends upon how function is defined. I'd say the traditional definition of function as it pertains to it's use is, once back, once forward, and it's ready to repeat it's function. Since this is effectively firing two rounds per one function, I'm not sure how it can not be considered a machine gun.
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#12
Maybe we should send off the next wave of letters to the ATF to get their determination on the definition of trigger function. Worked out well for the Sig Brace crowd, why not.
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Mr_Gixxer;171744 Wrote:Maybe we should send off the next wave of letters to the ATF to get their determination on the definition of trigger function. Worked out well for the Sig Brace crowd, why not.

We don't need to do it, you know someone else out there has already done it.
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streaker69;171747 Wrote:
Mr_Gixxer;171744 Wrote:Maybe we should send off the next wave of letters to the ATF to get their determination on the definition of trigger function. Worked out well for the Sig Brace crowd, why not.

We don't need to do it, you know someone else out there has already done it.

Oh, fo sho! This is why we can't have nice things. Now, quick, someone make a FCG like this for the AK! And sell it to me FTF.Ninja
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Mr_Gixxer;171748 Wrote:
streaker69;171747 Wrote:We don't need to do it, you know someone else out there has already done it.

Oh, fo sho! This is why we can't have nice things. Now, quick, someone make a FCG like this for the AK! And sell it to me FTF.Ninja

Maybe you should stop buying communist bloc firearms and buy american. Smile
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#16
Its ok and cool to watch. but I see too many flaws. too many jams, too précises trigger tolerance in Binary. also If you just want to burn through ammo, its ok.. but if you are using three round burst, or controlled fire... you can't get off a fired round in the pull position, ( Meaning you may have to expend another round to dis engage the fire sequence.( release the trigger )

So how can you get off the trigger once the trigger is pulled, without a round being fired. If it means switching out of binary mode into semi mode with the trigger pulled, its a safety disaster waiting to happen. it lacks the safety I would want in a pseudo automatic weapon... Just an observation.
Bill
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EvilTwin;171757 Wrote:Its ok and cool to watch. but I see too many flaws. too many jams, too précises trigger tolerance in Binary. also If you just want to burn through ammo, its ok.. but if you are using three round burst, or controlled fire... you can't get off a fired round in the pull position, ( Meaning you may have to expend another round to dis engage the fire sequence.( release the trigger )

So how can you get off the trigger once the trigger is pulled, without a round being fired. If it means switching out of binary mode into semi mode with the trigger pulled, its a safety disaster waiting to happen. it lacks the safety I would want in a pseudo automatic weapon... Just an observation.
Bill

Bold is what you do, or you can switch it to safe. You shouldn't be pointing your gun at anything you don't want to destroy anyway but I get it, not as safe. But it's all we got.
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Mr_Gixxer;171758 Wrote:
EvilTwin;171757 Wrote:Its ok and cool to watch. but I see too many flaws. too many jams, too précises trigger tolerance in Binary. also If you just want to burn through ammo, its ok.. but if you are using three round burst, or controlled fire... you can't get off a fired round in the pull position, ( Meaning you may have to expend another round to dis engage the fire sequence.( release the trigger )

So how can you get off the trigger once the trigger is pulled, without a round being fired. If it means switching out of binary mode into semi mode with the trigger pulled, its a safety disaster waiting to happen. it lacks the safety I would want in a pseudo automatic weapon... Just an observation.
Bill

Bold is what you do, or you can switch it to safe. You shouldn't be pointing your gun at anything you don't want to destroy anyway but I get it, not as safe. But it's all we got.
AS a Retired Military Veteran, there is a difference between attaining fire superiority, and control fire sequencing, one is for getting on top of the action, the other is to control resources. Over my 50 years of carry, the last 35 years as a civilian, a weapon should be always under your control, not the weapon control you. With the trigger pulled, it like stepping on a bouncing betty, Your next action will kill. Forget that releasing the Tigger ( which goes against all known muscle memory ) will fire another round, and it could be ugly..
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EvilTwin;171766 Wrote:
Mr_Gixxer;171758 Wrote:Bold is what you do, or you can switch it to safe. You shouldn't be pointing your gun at anything you don't want to destroy anyway but I get it, not as safe. But it's all we got.
AS a Retired Military Veteran, there is a difference between attaining fire superiority, and control fire sequencing, one is for getting on top of the action, the other is to control resources. Over my 50 years of carry, the last 35 years as a civilian, a weapon should be always under your control, not the weapon control you. With the trigger pulled, it like stepping on a bouncing betty, Your next action will kill. Forget that releasing the Tigger ( which goes against all known muscle memory ) will fire another round, and it could be ugly..

I agree, there are some major conflicting methods of operation here between this and a normal trigger that can be difficult to retrain.

Still looks like fun though!Big Grin
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Mr_Gixxer;171758 Wrote:
EvilTwin;171757 Wrote:Its ok and cool to watch. but I see too many flaws. too many jams, too précise trigger tolerance in Binary. also If you just want to burn through ammo, its ok.. but if you are using three round burst, or controlled fire... you can't get off a fired round in the pull position, ( Meaning you may have to expend another round to dis engage the fire sequence.( release the trigger )

So how can you get off the trigger once the trigger is pulled, without a round being fired. If it means switching out of binary mode into semi mode with the trigger pulled, its a safety disaster waiting to happen. it lacks the safety I would want in a pseudo automatic weapon... Just an observation.
Bill

Bold is what you do, or you can switch it to safe. You shouldn't be pointing your gun at anything you don't want to destroy anyway but I get it, not as safe. But it's all we got.
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