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Free speech down the tubes
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Tried to list this over in hate speech but didn't work.

Anyhoo....

http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2014/08/0...nity-book/

Quote:A member of the U.S. Army Band said he was forced out of the U.S. Army for having anti-Obama bumper stickers on his personal car, serving Chick-fil-A sandwiches at a party and reading books written by conservative authors like Sean Hannity, a federal lawsuit alleges.

Quote:Sommers first ran into trouble with his superiors when he put several anti-Obama bumper stickers on his car. The stickers read, “NOBAMA,” and “The Road to Bankruptcy is Paved with Ass-Fault.” That particular sticker included the image of a donkey. Sommers was ordered to remove the stickers, the lawsuit alleges.

“The Army took no action against those soldiers with pro-Obama bumper stickers,” Wells said.

Sommers was also criticized for reading books written by Sean Hannity, David Limbaugh and Mark Levin while in uniform. In one incident, he was backstage before a performance reading Limbaugh’s “The Great Destroyer” when a superior officer told him that he was causing “unit disruption” and was offending other soldiers.

“I wasn’t reading aloud,” Sommers told me. “I was just reading privately to myself. I was told they were frowning on that and they warned me that I should not be reading literature like that backstage because it was offensive.

It’s a good thing Sommers wasn’t caught reading my latest book, “God Less America.” He probably would’ve been tossed into a prison cell at Fort Leavenworth.

But the incident that really seemed to set off the chain of events that led to his forced retirement happened in 2012 and involved plump juicy chicken breasts.

Sommers decided to serve Chick-fil-A sandwiches at his promotion party – in honor of the repeal of "Don’t Ask, Don’t Tell."

“In honor of DADT repeal, and Obama/Holder’s refusal to enforce DOMA act, I’m serving Chick-fil-A at my MSG promo reception for Army today,” he tweeted.

That tweet came under fire from his superior officers, according to an official military document.

“As a Soldier you must be cognizant of the fact that your statements can be perceived by the general public and other service members to be of a nature bordering on disrespect to the President of the United States,” the document stated.

Sommers told me he paid for the party with personal money, not government funds – and for the record – he served the sandwiches because his family likes to eat more chicken.

“I had no idea a Chick-fil-A sandwich would get me in trouble,” he said.

Wells said those incidents led to “trumped up charges” and Sommers was eventually given a sub-standard evaluation – which he immediately appealed.

On July 31 the Army’s Quality Management Panel ordered him discharged from the military.
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There's a very fine line, in the military, between what is politically correct and that which is not. We had to remind lots of Soldiers the pendulum swings both ways in regards to what one can and cannot say as it offends others. For instance, some had no problems in using public hate speech when praising Obama, and denouncing the entire Republican Party, and as Americans, they felt they had every right to proclaim such. As a Soldier, however, it's not quite that way. You lose some of your rights. For instance, you can't cuss your superiors, it's called "insubordination". You can't "cat call" a pretty girl (not that you should). It is illegal to have sexual relations with another Soldier's wife. Yes , immoral, but in the military - illegal. Soldiers lose their right to protest or strike. They can't strike for increased wages or better living conditions, etc. With that said, there is a definite double standard that exists, favoring the President and Democrats.
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#3
I remember reading about this over a year ago. It's not so innocent as they're trying to make it sound, this guy was a bit over the top with it.

Nobody is going to kick and scream if you serve Chik Fil A at a retirement or promotion party, but if you deliberately turn it into a political event it becomes something else--you're not allowed to do that in uniform.
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#4
Like him or not, if you're in the service, he (or she) is your Commander in Chief.

Don't piss on his boots.

Not having served myself, I'll note that presidents who've been in the service seem to wear that mantle more easily than those who haven't.

The latter are the exception; it seems that since WW2 only FDR (who was an awesome Commander in Chief on crutches), Clinton, and Obama didn't engage at least in perfunctory military service.

One may argue that George W. Bush's "service" was a bit of a "dis-service" but at least he learned to salute properly. And he got to have great good fun flying an F-104G Starfighter over peaceful skies. (Okay, I'll take that job.)
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I guess as long as the guys with anti Bush stickers, reading "It Takes a Village", and eating....um, oh I dunno....rainbow sherbet...? Received the same treatment.......I can see your point about respecting the office. Although the books really shouldn't count.

The stickers and the Tweet, yes. The actual food and the books--no.
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(08-07-2014, 10:15 PM)RugerGirl Wrote: I guess as long as the guys with anti Bush stickers, reading "It Takes a Village", and eating....um, oh I dunno....rainbow sherbet...? Received the same treatment.......I can see your point about respecting the office. Although the books really shouldn't count.

The stickers and the Tweet, yes. The actual food and the books--no.

And it goes on. There is an old military saying, "To the victor goes the spoils". To Obama, he arrogantly declares, "We won". You will have, therefore, the pendulum of oversight against those who display Obama stickers.

Having served, I will further say that militarily, never has the military community been so divided as when both Clinton and Obama, who never served militarily, were in Command. During Carters tenure both sides concluded that he was inept.
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#7
More....

http://www.foxnews.com/leisure/2014/08/0...p=features


Basically, this restaurant would quietly and randomly award 15% off the receipt if it saw someone praying before their meal. It did not advertise it or announce it, nor did they do it every time, but they did it.

A week or two ago, it made the news.

Now they are being threatened with a lawsuit if they don't stop.

Dang it, if I own a restaurant, I can discount whoever the heck I want! When I owned my cake business, I gave discounted or occasionally free product to whoever I saw fit. One time I donated a cake to a client whose son was having open heart surgery. A few other times I gave friends a discounted price.

I bet the people suing don't even eat there.

Idiots. Mind your own business.

Speaking of prayer, these ladies aren't even allowed to pray in the mall......not even in the food court.

http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2014/08/0...side-mall/
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#8
So, we are advancing the idea that free speech is dead by openly practicing free speech in public?

Makes as much sense as crying about the war on Christmas during Christmas. Huh
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#9
Merry Christmas and God bless you.
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