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Gun Owners of America
Biden Proposals Include Framework for Gun Registry and Confiscation

Up to 50-80% of all guns in circulation could be covered

Press reports now make it clear what Vice President Joe Biden’s gun control package will look like. Biden wants to impose:

* A Feinstein-like semi-auto ban which, according to experts who have done the counting, could ban up to 50% of all long guns currently in circulation and up to 80% of all handguns. Incidentally, if you wanted to keep the AR-15 you currently have, you would have to have a 6-month FBI background check, be fingerprinted, and get a machine gun-type license.

* The framework for national gun registration and confiscation by requiring every gun transaction to have a Brady Check.

* Supposed “toughening” of anti-gun trafficking measures, but without doing anything about the man responsible for allowing more gun trafficking than any other American -- Attorney General Eric Holder (with his Fast and Furious program).

Let us backtrack and explain a couple of things: Increasingly ATF is going into gun dealers and xeroxing all of the 4473’s. This is illegal under McClure-Volkmer, but, in case you hadn’t noticed, Obama is increasingly ignoring the law when it inconveniences him.

Thus, if every gun transaction in America must have a Brady Check, every gun in America could presumably be fed into a national registration system by ATF by simply copying the 4473’s.

New York Governor Andrew Cuomo -– a man who gives you a pretty good idea of where gun control is going -– said, on the front page of the New York Times, that “confiscation” of firearms is an option. Obviously, having a registration list makes such a task much easier.

But what about so-called large-capacity magazines? Well, Republicans like Georgia’s Phil Gingrey have talked about the possibility of banning them. However, there are many problems with this.

First of all, millions of gun owners own these magazines for defensive purposes. To take away a homeowner’s right to choose these devices will simply make honest citizens less safe -- especially, when they are facing multiple attackers.

Moreover, police have sometimes had to fire 20-30 rounds to finally stop just one drug-crazed individual from shooting. This just underscores why, quite often, good guys will need more than just six-shooters.

Second, there are tens of millions of high-capacity magazines in circulation. What are you going to do about them?

Third, changing magazines (or switching guns) is not a big deal for people like Adam Lanza.

Fourth -- and perhaps most important –- this is a game the anti-gun zealots have played before: They threaten to kill the Second Amendment, and then negotiate their way back to “merely” eviscerating it.

Or put another way, they threaten to shoot us in the head to get us to agree to cutting off our fingers.

The only way that America’s gun owners are going to have peace over the next decade is to stop ALL gun control -– as we did after Columbine –- and then defeat compromising legislators running for reelection in 2014.

ACTION: Click here to contact your Senators and Congressmen. Demand that they oppose ALL gun control -- including magazine limitations and universal background (registration) checks -- being proposed by the Biden commission.
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Gun and ammo registration is banned by three federal laws. One of those being Obamacare. And the current wait time for NFA transfers is 6 months. With only 18 examiners, it would extend to years if the millions of semi autos had to be registered.
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Warpt762x39;67566 Wrote:Gun and ammo registration is banned by three federal laws. One of those being Obamacare. And the current wait time for NFA transfers is 6 months. With only 18 examiners, it would extend to years if the millions of semi autos had to be registered.

Look, I know you don't think Obama will act unilaterally on this, despite the fact that he has outright stated otherwise (which we all know completely violates the law).

Warpt, do you seriously think the current administration cares what the laws are, or are you hoping that with enough laws saying that what they are doing is illegal they will be overturned by our "justice" system?
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rmagill;67820 Wrote:
Warpt762x39;67566 Wrote:Gun and ammo registration is banned by three federal laws. One of those being Obamacare. And the current wait time for NFA transfers is 6 months. With only 18 examiners, it would extend to years if the millions of semi autos had to be registered.

Look, I know you don't think Obama will act unilaterally on this, despite the fact that he has outright stated otherwise (which we all know completely violates the law).

Warpt, do you seriously think the current administration cares what the laws are, or are you hoping that with enough laws saying that what they are doing is illegal they will be overturned by our "justice" system?

Not every federal judge is an Obama appointee. There are numerous judges who have been on the bench since Reagan. In case you haven't noticed, the courts have been ruling in our favor lately. Heller, McDonald and the IL concealed carry ban. EOs have been overturned as recently as 4 years ago and it didn't take years. Bush signed an EO to allow concealed carry in National Parks. It was overturned and Congress tacked it onto the credit card reform bill they knew Obama wasn't about to veto. The SCOTUS is the same makeup as it was for both Heller and McDonald. The same lawyer who successfully argued both is working on the IL concealed carry ban case right now. There was a poll saying 38% of people think we need more gun laws and that's the highest it's been in 12 years. The same poll shows 48% of people think our laws are strict enough or need to be relaxed and that number has been going up for years. The states have been working on laws that challenge federal laws. Have you heard of the Firearms Freedom Act that's been passed in multiple states? How about local PDs and Sheriffs departments informing federal agencies they will be arrested should they try and enforce gun control laws? Hell northern New Mexico has an active 200 man militia on call 24/7. They have old ladies being threatened by the EPA and responding with promises of gunfire should they trespass on their land. The EPA backed down. There is a guy who has taken on the IRS over not paying taxes he owes and won. I'm sick of the bullshit defeatist attitudes. If you want to give up then go ahead but there is still plenty of fighting left to do. Grow a pair and start fighting. Write letters daily to your representatives at all levels. Call repeatedly. Email every chance you get. Educate people around you how to fight. Hell take someone to the range who has never shot a gun before and get them on our side. Obama can't do anything unless we let him. He ignores the Constitution and existing federal law because we the people let him. It's time to raise hell and remind the idiots in governments from town hall to Washington DC know they were elected to WORK FOR US, not to rule over us.
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Ok, so you are relying on the court that ruled that obamacare is legit if it is called a tax.

Also, why do you assume that just because someone thinks Obama will pass XOs, that same person wont write letters to congress and state legialators every day? It is a false dichotemy. I would posit that relying on the courts to rule in our favor is risky at best.

What harm is there in acknowlwdging that Obaa may XO an AWB or worse into existance and planning accordingly? Add to this political activism on all fronts and there is a chance we prepared for nothing, but as the saying goes: better to have it and nor need it than need it and not have it.
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Warpt762x39;67566 Wrote:Gun and ammo registration is banned by three federal laws. One of those being Obamacare. And the current wait time for NFA transfers is 6 months. With only 18 examiners, it would extend to years if the millions of semi autos had to be registered.

I am looking at this threat the way it needs to be looked at. As far as I am concerned, I am worried about bingo coming to my house personally with his goon squad to take every last thing I own. That is how serious I am taking it. Will it happen? Unlikely. But I feel I would rather treat it as a greater threat, and be ready for it.
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Connal;67828 Wrote:
Warpt762x39;67566 Wrote:Gun and ammo registration is banned by three federal laws. One of those being Obamacare. And the current wait time for NFA transfers is 6 months. With only 18 examiners, it would extend to years if the millions of semi autos had to be registered.

I am looking at this threat the way it needs to be looked at. As far as I am concerned, I am worried about bingo coming to my house personally with his goon squad to take every last thing I own. That is how serious I am taking it. Will it happen? Unlikely. But I feel I would rather treat it as a greater threat, and be ready for it.

I hope they pay the goon squad very well for their trouble. Or at least have a good widow's pension.
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rmagill;67827 Wrote:Ok, so you are relying on the court that ruled that obamacare is legit if it is called a tax.

Also, why do you assume that just because someone thinks Obama will pass XOs, that same person wont write letters to congress and state legialators every day? It is a false dichotemy. I would posit that relying on the courts to rule in our favor is risky at best.

What harm is there in acknowlwdging that Obaa may XO an AWB or worse into existance and planning accordingly? Add to this political activism on all fronts and there is a chance we prepared for nothing, but as the saying goes: better to have it and nor need it than need it and not have it.

While I hate how the court ruled on Obamacare, I can't ignore how it has ruled on the 2nd Amendment the last few years. The courts have been going our way. We have three major SCOTUS decisions that work for us. We have Heller, McDonald and US v Miller from 1939. The court ruled the 2nd Amendment applies to guns suitable for military/militia service. As in an AWB violates precedent.
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Warpt762x39;67823 Wrote:
rmagill;67820 Wrote:Look, I know you don't think Obama will act unilaterally on this, despite the fact that he has outright stated otherwise (which we all know completely violates the law).

Warpt, do you seriously think the current administration cares what the laws are, or are you hoping that with enough laws saying that what they are doing is illegal they will be overturned by our "justice" system?

Not every federal judge is an Obama appointee. There are numerous judges who have been on the bench since Reagan. In case you haven't noticed, the courts have been ruling in our favor lately. Heller, McDonald and the IL concealed carry ban. EOs have been overturned as recently as 4 years ago and it didn't take years. Bush signed an EO to allow concealed carry in National Parks. It was overturned and Congress tacked it onto the credit card reform bill they knew Obama wasn't about to veto. The SCOTUS is the same makeup as it was for both Heller and McDonald. The same lawyer who successfully argued both is working on the IL concealed carry ban case right now. There was a poll saying 38% of people think we need more gun laws and that's the highest it's been in 12 years. The same poll shows 48% of people think our laws are strict enough or need to be relaxed and that number has been going up for years. The states have been working on laws that challenge federal laws. Have you heard of the Firearms Freedom Act that's been passed in multiple states? How about local PDs and Sheriffs departments informing federal agencies they will be arrested should they try and enforce gun control laws? Hell northern New Mexico has an active 200 man militia on call 24/7. They have old ladies being threatened by the EPA and responding with promises of gunfire should they trespass on their land. The EPA backed down. There is a guy who has taken on the IRS over not paying taxes he owes and won. I'm sick of the bullshit defeatist attitudes. If you want to give up then go ahead but there is still plenty of fighting left to do. Grow a pair and start fighting. Write letters daily to your representatives at all levels. Call repeatedly. Email every chance you get. Educate people around you how to fight. Hell take someone to the range who has never shot a gun before and get them on our side. Obama can't do anything unless we let him. He ignores the Constitution and existing federal law because we the people let him. It's time to raise hell and remind the idiots in governments from town hall to Washington DC know they were elected to WORK FOR US, not to rule over us.

Excellent post as usual. Defeatism is as devastating to our right as the Liberals. Smile
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Which is more of a defeatist action: sitting back, waiting for things to happen, and then hoping the SCotUS rules in our favor OR being politically active now while preparing just in case gun control XOs and legislation do somehow get through despite our best efforts?

I tend to think that sitting back and doing nothing now is more of a defeatist action than preparing for the worst-case scenarios while doing all that can be done now to stop the gun control movement.
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