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Good holster for my M&P 9?
#11
Have been testing out a DeSantis holster, Sky Cop, Leather, with a
adjustable tension screw. I have found this comfortable and reliable,
especially in a vehicle and when out and about. I always used a
directional draw holsters for years. This was a significant change. I
am right handed, so the holster is worn on the left side. Needless to say
I practiced many an hour on the range with "snap caps" and gradually
moved to live fire drills with my full size M&P 9 . Easy to conceal
and close to the body. It may not be for everybody, but I find it easy
to adopt and practical for my needs.
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#12
If you're thinking about OCing, I'd recommend something with some retention. I use a Serpa, but they get a lot of hate. I like the way Safariland does their ALS retention by hiding a button between you and the gun that you press like a thumb break. I think that's a better idea than the Serpa because anyone can look at a serpa for a minute and figure out what they need to do to grab it. With the Safariland, it looks like there is no retention, so they'll likely just try to grab and go.

I was on a reddit thread recently when a security guard said that he had tried Serpas, Safariland, Bladetech, etc but more than any of them prefers these:
http://www.tacticalholsters.com/product/...ndard.html
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The retention is a hood that is removed by pressing a button between you and your body. It looks like an interesting concept but I haven't tried it. If I had to replace my serpa today, that's probably what I would try.

For IWB I use a Crossbreed SuperTuck in horsehide with V-clips. It's a decent holster, but I'd probably go the comp-tac minotaur route if I had it to do again. I went CB for the horsehide, but I sweat through that as well as leather, so nothing gained there. I think it's nice that they have replaceable shells so you can use the same holster for multiple guns, and that they don't have as long a wait time. If you're sold on Crossbreed, check out www.Crossbreedseconds.com to see if they already have a refurb or blemish model you can use.

Having a proper belt plays a large role in my comfort level when carrying a fullsize pistol. I have a Comp-tac brown leather belt with a strip of kydex through it for reinforcement. I also have the velcro sewn in. I'd recommend this if you plan on tucking in your shirt and don't want to have giant holster clips showing. Here's what mine looks like on my belt.
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I have raised the holster a bit to ease drawing. I also like the velcro behind the belt idea because I usually carry one of two fixed blade knives (Kabar Last Ditch or Kabar TDI). I put velcro on their sheaths and can tuck them behind my belt in any orientation I please.
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#13
Here is the review I did of my M&P 9 Holster by safariland.


http://www.pa2a.org/thread-my-safariland...ter-review

I like it. If I could find a true level 2 or level 3 by safariland that fits a 1.5 inch belt. (most fit a 2inch+) I would buy it instantly.


Also, for when you do carry the M&P, do you have it at the 3 o'clock position? I found that due to it's size, I need to have a certain pair of pants that does not have a belt loop there blocking it. Otherwise it's just slightly at 4pm which is a pain in the ass.
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#14
Thanks for all the input everyone, I have spent the past few hours researching the options presented here. Right now I am leaning towards the Safariland since the price is reasonable plus their holsters offer provisions for pistols with tactical lights. However I am not placing my order for another few weeks so that might change. Thinking about it my primary concern is wearing this holster/pistol while in the driver seat of my Mustang. My seat is too tight for that so I am wondering if a quick detach holster exist?

Paradigm;74961 Wrote:OWB = outside the waistband
IWB = inside the waistband

Many companies that use Kydex will make it for your specific gun with a light if you ask. They mold the Kydex at the time of manufacture. Tell them the make and model of gun and make and model of light when you order.

The downside is that it's molded that way and stays that way. If you get bored with the light or want to change brands or put on a laser, you'll need a new holster.

Thanks, I am aware that once I tell them what tactical light I want I am stuck using it. That's why I am going to have to decide which one I buy now.

Philadelphia Patriot;74993 Wrote:Seriously consider these guys. I got one for my Glock 19 and in terms of quality and pricing, I couldn't be happier.

Blackdog Concealment

You can even buy them on ebay - $45 (free shipping)

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I like them but they don't have a model made for pistols with lights on them.

ShaulWolf;75056 Wrote:I know you asked for kydex, but if you ever consider a leather OWB holster, DeSantis makes a few that I've found quite comfortable. They also make IWB ones, but I haven't had a chance to see how they feel.

I will look into them, right now I am looking for a decent holster without a large price tag. However when I get a M1911 I will get a leather one for sure. It just seems right for such a pistol. Cool

Just1more;75065 Wrote:Cabelas has the Desantis with thumb break on a bit of a sale in tan right now. We have them and like them for our M&P9s. Not great if you want a holster for class though as the thumb break makes reholstering more time consuming .

Thank you, I will keep that in mind. By any chance could you explain the term "thumb break"? I have seen it mentioned a few times but I don't fully understand the term.

Fundamentals;75072 Wrote:Have been testing out a DeSantis holster, Sky Cop, Leather, with a
adjustable tension screw. I have found this comfortable and reliable,
especially in a vehicle and when out and about. I always used a
directional draw holsters for years. This was a significant change. I
am right handed, so the holster is worn on the left side. Needless to say
I practiced many an hour on the range with "snap caps" and gradually
moved to live fire drills with my full size M&P 9 . Easy to conceal
and close to the body. It may not be for everybody, but I find it easy
to adopt and practical for my needs.

Appreciate the advice. Now that you mention carrying in a vehicle that's something else I will have to look into, I drive a coupe with tight bucket seats. I think I might need a holster with a quick release.

TheWolff;75302 Wrote:If you're thinking about OCing, I'd recommend something with some retention. I use a Serpa, but they get a lot of hate. I like the way Safariland does their ALS retention by hiding a button between you and the gun that you press like a thumb break. I think that's a better idea than the Serpa because anyone can look at a serpa for a minute and figure out what they need to do to grab it. With the Safariland, it looks like there is no retention, so they'll likely just try to grab and go.

I was on a reddit thread recently when a security guard said that he had tried Serpas, Safariland, Bladetech, etc but more than any of them prefers these:
http://www.tacticalholsters.com/product/...ndard.html
[Image: DSCN6615%204x4.jpg]

The retention is a hood that is removed by pressing a button between you and your body. It looks like an interesting concept but I haven't tried it. If I had to replace my serpa today, that's probably what I would try.

For IWB I use a Crossbreed SuperTuck in horsehide with V-clips. It's a decent holster, but I'd probably go the comp-tac minotaur route if I had it to do again. I went CB for the horsehide, but I sweat through that as well as leather, so nothing gained there. I think it's nice that they have replaceable shells so you can use the same holster for multiple guns, and that they don't have as long a wait time. If you're sold on Crossbreed, check out www.Crossbreedseconds.com to see if they already have a refurb or blemish model you can use.

Having a proper belt plays a large role in my comfort level when carrying a fullsize pistol. I have a Comp-tac brown leather belt with a strip of kydex through it for reinforcement. I also have the velcro sewn in. I'd recommend this if you plan on tucking in your shirt and don't want to have giant holster clips showing. Here's what mine looks like on my belt.
[Image: img0769f.jpg]
I have raised the holster a bit to ease drawing. I also like the velcro behind the belt idea because I usually carry one of two fixed blade knives (Kabar Last Ditch or Kabar TDI). I put velcro on their sheaths and can tuck them behind my belt in any orientation I please.

Thank you for all this information. Not only do I need a holster but I need to invest in a better belt, my belts are only 1" in width. Not suitable for any holster I have researched so far. Right now the Safariland 6378 is in the lead for my final choice. It has everything I cost want in a holster.

The Unknown87;75401 Wrote:Here is the review I did of my M&P 9 Holster by safariland.


http://www.pa2a.org/thread-my-safariland...ter-review

I like it. If I could find a true level 2 or level 3 by safariland that fits a 1.5 inch belt. (most fit a 2inch+) I would buy it instantly.


Also, for when you do carry the M&P, do you have it at the 3 o'clock position? I found that due to it's size, I need to have a certain pair of pants that does not have a belt loop there blocking it. Otherwise it's just slightly at 4pm which is a pain in the ass.

That was helpful, thank you. I am on the verge of just ordering the Safariland 6378 based on what I have researched. My only concern right now is fitting into the tight seat of my coupe with a pistol mounted on my hip. I wonder if it's something I can quickly detach from my belt and throw into my center console while driving? As for carrying my M&P I never carried it before nor have I ever carried any pistol on my hip. This will be my first time so I will have to experiment. I am thinking 4 o'clock would be the best position but I wonder how it will work while sitting down? Huh
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#15
The thumb break is that strip of material that covers the back of the slide, usually held in place by a metal snap. It prevents the gun from being pulled/falling out without the user or someone else first unsnapping it.

There are also different options for OWB holsters: belt and paddle. Belt holsters have the holes that the belt goes through and stay secured until you remove your belt. Paddle holsters have the folded over portion that allows you to slide the holster on over the belt.

If you plan to conceal the pistol, your best bet would be an IWB holster. However, it can also be done with an OWB, which also allows you to more easily open carry as well.

If you do OC, I'd recommend something with more than just a retention screw. Gun grabs are few and far in between, but it's an extra piece of mind. It also keeps the firearm better secured if you're active a lot with it on.

Strong side holsters on the hip are always difficult when you're seated. You'll need something with a moderate forward cant, or go with another option if you're sitting for extended periods of time while carrying. Cross draw and shoulder holsters tend to do better for vehicles, though someone else can chime in for those options.

Since you want to mount a light on your pistol, your best bet would likely be Safariland.

I'll note that if you go to Natchez's website, you can find a DeSantis holster for around $40.

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LifeInPa;75559 Wrote:That was helpful, thank you. I am on the verge of just ordering the Safariland 6378 based on what I have researched. My only concern right now is fitting into the tight seat of my coupe with a pistol mounted on my hip. I wonder if it's something I can quickly detach from my belt and throw into my center console while driving? As for carrying my M&P I never carried it before nor have I ever carried any pistol on my hip. This will be my first time so I will have to experiment. I am thinking 4 o'clock would be the best position but I wonder how it will work while sitting down? Huh


The safariland I struggle to get that thing on, I only worry about taking it off once I get back. In the car sitting, it can be odd. Gotta change how you sit depending on how you get it set up.



Also for anyone else in this thread looking. I have contacted safariland. It IS possible to make a duty belt, designed for a 2+ inch belt, fit a 1.5 inch belt.

Quote:Dear Mr. The Unknown 87,
If your duty holster has our universal 3 hole screw pattern in the shape of a capital T then you can attach a concealment duty belt loop which will make it ride higher, however if you do this this will negate the level of retention the holster is tested at. The holsters that are deigned to accommodate a 1.5" belt are usually our concealment holsters and those are not tested for levels of retention. If you have any other questions please feel free to contact me.


Thank You,
Cynthia Olivar
Customer Care Rep II


I have that attachment already. I would just need to buy a duty holster that fits the M&P and light, and attach the belt loop thing to it and be done. Not sure how that effects the retention.
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#17
If you would like to go the leather route, then I highly suggest Aker holsters. I think they make the best leather holsters (especially the flatsider) out there. The Aker 167 Nightguard is something to consider if you choose to go leather.

Aker 167 Nightguard Holster

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LifeInPa;75559 Wrote:My only concern right now is fitting into the tight seat of my coupe with a pistol mounted on my hip. I wonder if it's something I can quickly detach from my belt and throw into my center console while driving? As for carrying my M&P I never carried it before nor have I ever carried any pistol on my hip. This will be my first time so I will have to experiment. I am thinking 4 o'clock would be the best position but I wonder how it will work while sitting down? Huh

I also have a coupe. The seat bolsters that wrap around on either side definitely make it difficult. I can guarantee that the first time you sit down in your car, you'll say "WTF? This will NEVER work!" But don't worry, it's not as bad as it seems. You may have to shift the holster forward or back on your belt, or adjust the cant of the holster (the tilt forward or backward) if it's adjustable. It will take a while to get used to it.

You may not want to drive with the gun in the holster at 4:00, though, as it will be very hard to draw the gun if you need it. You can keep another holster in the car to hold it while you're driving, although the empty holster on your belt will still need to be adjusted properly so it won't be uncomfortable. You could take the holster off your belt, but that's a pain too. Especially the Safariland paddle - it's hard enough to get off that I don't think I could do it while sitting.

Anyway, that's just my 2 cents worth. You're probably feeling a little overwhelmed with advice right now. The only way to do it is to jump in and start trying things! You'll learn really quickly what works and what doesn't.
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#19
check out http://www.phlster.com/

I have 2 holsters from him and a mag carrier he has a disclaimer on website but you get the holsters before time
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#20
I just got a lightbearing holster for my XDm from Off the Grid Concepts out of California. It's called the Nocturnal Sidewinder and I'm loving mine. It fits the gun perfectly. It's not so tight as to interfere with a draw but it's snug enough that there is zero wobble. You can swap the belt loops for MALICE clips and there is an option to make it so you can carry with or without the light. They have probably a dozen color combos from baaic black to ones called Dead Bird and Ninja Turtle. Plus they make spare mag carriers for pistols and ARs. They custom mold sheaths for any knife you can think of. They have carriers for tactical lights, handcuffs, Zippos, Skoal cans and even a condom carrier called the Dynamic Intervention Contraceptive Karrier or D.I.C.K.
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