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Got Made Today -- Results in CCW Convert
#1
This occurred in Monroeville, PA, a suburb of Pittsburgh. I'm on my way back to Illinois from Hampton Roads, Virginia. I have my 4 year old and 1 year old with me. At around 8pm my 4 year old wakes up and tells me he's hungry. I ask him what he wants and he said, "Chick fil A." I wasn't going to argue with that. They usually have a play place for him to stretch his legs and run out some energy. Plus, he loves their food and toys better than McDonald's. He always wants fruit instead of fries. I'm not going to argue with that. We must have been there for about 90 minutes before I decided it was time to go. As I get up, a couple at the table across the aisle from the one behind me pointed out my firearm was uncovered, and starting telling me how that wasn't legal in public, etc. I wanted to get defensive, but kept my cool. I explained to them it surely was legal in Pennsylvania, and that PA was a Shall Issue state, and they don't require a course to get the permit. They became perplexed and seemed like they didn't know how to reply. I was also picking up on vibes they weren't hoplophobic, but simply uninformed. Next thing I hear from them dumbfounded me. They said that carrying in Florida, which is where they are from, wasn't legal. I then pulled out my wallet, showed them my Florida permit, and said, "You're information isn't correct. Here's my permit from the State of Florida indicating otherwise." I went on to explain how Florida's permit was very easy to obtain. That Florida does require a course to be taken, fingerprints done by law enforcement, , etc. They were surprised to hear this and then inquired about how a person from Florida could carry in Pennsylvania. I briefly touched on recognition and reciprocity, different state laws, such as PA now only accepts resident permits, etc. The person still looking at my Florida permit then notices my Utah address on it and asks how I'm able to carry in PA when my FL permit was a nonresident. I then provided my Utah permit. Which drew more questions about people getting permits from states they aren't residents of, etc. After I had answered all of their questions they start telling me how this is a good idea, and that they want to do it. I pointed them to info on the back of my Florida permit so they could get ahold of the state agency to figure what they need to do to get their permits. They started talking about how this was good because the only thing crooks and this understand is violence. They recognize that responding to aggressive actions may require aggressive actions that exceed the initial aggression. Apparently they both had been robbed at gunpoint several years ago, and don't want to endure it again. When parting ways they said they are going to get ahold of family who works in law enforcement in the Jacksonville/Mayport area to help them get their permits. I felt good walking away knowing that I had potentially brought new people to our side from a situation that could have very easily gone badly from the start. It's the first time ever my Second Amendment was discovered while CCing.
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#2
Congrats. Being on the road with a carload of kids can sometimes be a trying task. It's possible to set a person up in a poor mood for the kind of encounter you experienced, a perfect example of an encounter that have gone either way really, depending on your reaction.

Honestly these kinds of encounters are one of the foremost reasons I OC, and I have had so many positive ones in 6 1/2 years, and handing out over 200 flyers to interested folks, I've run out of flyers and lost count!

You know you're making a difference when it turns around and you start having chance encounters with people who tell you they started carrying after meeting me, seeing me do it, seeing how it caused no alarm, reading the flyer, and getting started on their own path to carry. For some I stress the importance of joining a nearby range and taking classes, some have been gun people all their lives but never carried because they swallowed the media bullshit.

Uinta... feels good, doesn't it? How long was it before that smile finally faded? Or has it yet? Big Grin

Well done, well handled, and not always so easy when it comes out of the blue like that.
Rep sent!
“Necessity is the plea for every infringement of human freedom. It is the argument of tyrants; it is the creed of slaves.”

William Pitt
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#3
You handled it all wrong. What you should have done when they first addressed you was turn around, walk over to their table and loudly ask,

"Ever hear of the constitution, motherfucker?!??"

And just walk away...
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#4
Open carry in Florida is not legal, even with a carry permit.
So if you were showing, that might not fly in FL but perfectly OK in PA.
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#5
I was CCing. My shirt had lifted and revealed the grip and magazine. I prefer CC over OC. The subject and questioning was focused on CC because that was what was happening.
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#6
Because of your knowledge you handled that far better than I could have. Well done. rep sent.
das, proud to be a member of pa2a.org since Sep 2012.
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#7
Coops;165131 Wrote:Open carry in Florida is not legal, even with a carry permit.
So if you were showing, that might not fly in FL but perfectly OK in PA.

I think the law was recently changed in Florida such that a person who is CCing but inadvertently allows their CC'd weapon to become exposed briefly no longer violates the law as was once the case in Florida. So they are not as strict about it as they used to be.

Again, if I am correct about it. I know they were trying to get it through the legislature and signed into law, but I lost track of it and don't know for sure if the law was ever changed. I only bring it up because it's worth looking into for anyone venturing into Florida.
“Necessity is the plea for every infringement of human freedom. It is the argument of tyrants; it is the creed of slaves.”

William Pitt
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#8
The Florida Statute:

Quote:790.053 Open carrying of weapons.—

(1) Except as otherwise provided by law and in subsection (2), it is unlawful for any person to openly carry on or about his or her person any firearm or electric weapon or device. It is not a violation of this section for a person licensed to carry a concealed firearm as provided in s. 790.06(1), and who is lawfully carrying a firearm in a concealed manner, to briefly and openly display the firearm to the ordinary sight of another person, unless the firearm is intentionally displayed in an angry or threatening manner, not in necessary self-defense.

So a brief flashing of a gun as one rises or sits is not a violation.
Also, open carry is allowed in narrow circumstances while traveling for the purpose of hunting or fishing.
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#9
How do they define briefly?

Like, for a few minutes? Days? Milliseconds?
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#10
Mr_Gixxer;165145 Wrote:How do they define briefly?

Like, for a few minutes? Days? Milliseconds?

Here is the example being cited as the test case for allowing open carry in Florida.

http://www.wptv.com/news/region-st-lucie...ivists-say

A guy in Ft Pierce with a FL CC permit was carrying a gun in his shorts. Supposedly the gun was heavy and his shorts ended up below his shirt. I have to explain that he was not wearing a belt and he was a non white person and he probably wears his shorts there anyway. He claims he did not know he was exposed. He was the subject of a MWAG call and the police (5 or 6 of them from the video) came and arrested him for open carry. He was later convicted of that offense in court but his appeals are giving the open carry org in FL hope to overturn the law.

My understanding is that if it is inadvertent like a wardrobe malfunction, you should be OK. But this guy was evidently hip bone deficient and going gangnam style so he might not be the best test case.
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