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Gun Range safety Class: "Pa CCW means you have to conceal"
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The club I belong to is requiring all members to attend a safety class. It's about 1.5 hours.

First I was surprised to learn the NRA only has 3 safety rules.

The fundamental NRA rules for safe gun handling are:

1. ALWAYS keep the gun pointed in a safe direction.
This is the primary rule of gun safety. A safe direction means that the gun is pointed so that even if it were to go off it would not cause injury or damage. The key to this rule is to control where the muzzle or front end of the barrel is pointed at all times. Common sense dictates the safest direction, depending on different circumstances.

2. ALWAYS keep your finger off the trigger until ready to shoot.
When holding a gun, rest your finger on the trigger guard or along the side of the gun. Until you are actually ready to fire, do not touch the trigger.

3. ALWAYS keep the gun unloaded until ready to use.
Whenever you pick up a gun, immediately engage the safety device if possible, and, if the gun has a magazine, remove it before opening the action and looking into the chamber(s) which should be clear of ammunition. If you do not know how to open the action or inspect the chamber(s), leave the gun alone and get help from someone who does.


I was stunned they did not include Jeff Cooper's #1 Rule of Gun Safety

RULE I: ALL GUNS ARE ALWAYS LOADED.

And rule number 3 is pure BS.

BAD NRA


OK so we kind of got past the rules.

The board of directors of the club have made OC against the rules around the club with the exception of the ranges.

Now the old codger giving the class states a Pa Concealed Carry Permit requires you to conceal it. By personal choice, I'm not an OCer, (except in uniform) but it was difficult for me to control myself at an "instructors" lack of knowledge. If you're going to give a class, at least understand the topic!

I raised my hand and explained the details of the Pa LTCF and that open carry is legal in Pa. He said yes but you're going to get hassled and arrested.

After the "class" I got him alone and explained the MPOETC open carry update and gave him a booklet with the Pa gun laws. I plan on going back next week and providing him with the actual MPOETC update regarding open carry from a few years ago.
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DaveM55;34909 Wrote:The club I belong to is requiring all members to attend a safety class. It's about 1.5 hours.

First I was surprised to learn the NRA only has 3 safety rules.

The fundamental NRA rules for safe gun handling are:

1. ALWAYS keep the gun pointed in a safe direction.
This is the primary rule of gun safety. A safe direction means that the gun is pointed so that even if it were to go off it would not cause injury or damage. The key to this rule is to control where the muzzle or front end of the barrel is pointed at all times. Common sense dictates the safest direction, depending on different circumstances.

2. ALWAYS keep your finger off the trigger until ready to shoot.
When holding a gun, rest your finger on the trigger guard or along the side of the gun. Until you are actually ready to fire, do not touch the trigger.

3. ALWAYS keep the gun unloaded until ready to use.
Whenever you pick up a gun, immediately engage the safety device if possible, and, if the gun has a magazine, remove it before opening the action and looking into the chamber(s) which should be clear of ammunition. If you do not know how to open the action or inspect the chamber(s), leave the gun alone and get help from someone who does.


I was stunned they did not include Jeff Cooper's #1 Rule of Gun Safety

RULE I: ALL GUNS ARE ALWAYS LOADED.

And rule number 3 is pure BS.

BAD NRA


OK so we kind of got past the rules.

The board of directors of the club have made OC against the rules around the club with the exception of the ranges.

Now the old codger giving the class states a Pa Concealed Carry Permit requires you to conceal it. By personal choice, I'm not an OCer, (except in uniform) but it was difficult for me to control myself at an "instructors" lack of knowledge. If you're going to give a class, at least understand the topic!

I raised my hand and explained the details of the Pa LTCF and that open carry is legal in Pa. He said yes but you're going to get hassled and arrested.

After the "class" I got him alone and explained the MPOETC open carry update and gave him a booklet with the Pa gun laws. I plan on going back next week and providing him with the actual MPOETC update regarding open carry from a few years ago.

I've been on on tons of forums, some I am a member, some I just read, but this kind of thing comes up more then it should it seems. As someone who is new to this, I have been trying to get as much info as I can so I am informed, and I don't fall prey to someone with false info, or some BS given to disarm me cuz I am new. With that said I have seen some pdf printouts here and there, usually on Open Carry, but I would love to get my hands on a booklet of PA gun laws like you said you have. Where do you get something like that? I would like one for my own and maybe a few if I needed to give some to friends or one of these guys. Heck even some of my friends I had to bring up info to show them facts about things because they either didn't know, didn't believe me, or had their facts wrong.

Thanks in advance for any direction you can give me for this.
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Rednutinc;35459 Wrote:With that said I have seen some pdf printouts here and there, usually on Open Carry, but I would love to get my hands on a booklet of PA gun laws like you said you have. Where do you get something like that?

Contact your local State Representative's office. If they don't have any on hand, they'll be happy to get you one. Really.
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Are you talking about the open carry flyer? That's available on the PA Open Carry website.
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Did the "instructor" wear a hat with ear-flaps and pronounce "very" like "vewy?"
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Orrrrrr... you could click on the "Laws&Documents" tab above... just sayin'
headcase, bitch-slapping gun myth perpetuators since 2006.
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Warpt762x39;35504 Wrote:Are you talking about the open carry flyer? That's available on the PA Open Carry website.

Not the PDF file flyer thing...I want something more official with the laws that maybe PA itself actually created. I don't need some jackwagon telling me they don't believe my internet printout. And can ya blame them.... I sure don't believe everything I hear on the net without looking into it.

headcase;35645 Wrote:Orrrrrr... you could click on the "Laws&Documents" tab above... just sayin'

Yeah.. I know thats there. I don't want the info for me tho. I think I already have all the PA laws posted on the net on forums bookmarked for my needs. An actual booklet from PA is more official and as I said in my last post, more likely to make the statement necessary for someone else I need to convince. I could print things out and carry them, and but its just not the same effectiveness.
Be who you are and say what you feel because
those who mind don't matter and those who matter don't mind.
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Rednutinc;35666 Wrote:
Warpt762x39;35504 Wrote:Are you talking about the open carry flyer? That's available on the PA Open Carry website.

Not the PDF file flyer thing...I want something more official with the laws that maybe PA itself actually created. I don't need some jackwagon telling me they don't believe my internet printout. And can ya blame them.... I sure don't believe everything I hear on the net without looking into it.

headcase;35645 Wrote:Orrrrrr... you could click on the "Laws&Documents" tab above... just sayin'

Yeah.. I know thats there. I don't want the info for me tho. I think I already have all the PA laws posted on the net on forums bookmarked for my needs. An actual booklet from PA is more official and as I said in my last post, more likely to make the statement necessary for someone else I need to convince. I could print things out and carry them, and but its just not the same effectiveness.

The flyers have the laws and exactly where to find them on the books printed right on there. The closest you'll get to official is an explanation on letterhead from the AGs office.
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Warpt762x39;35701 Wrote:The flyers have the laws and exactly where to find them on the books printed right on there. The closest you'll get to official is an explanation on letterhead from the AGs office.

The OP said he gave the guy "booklet". I'm just tryin to find out what it was or where he got it. Why is it so damn hard to find info in print? Considering we don't need to take a course or anything of the sort to get our license to carry, you'd think PA would at least send something with it the license for people to look at laws. How many people just get it and then walk around with a gun, not knowing the laws cuz they don't take the time to look online and they think its an all access pass?
Be who you are and say what you feel because
those who mind don't matter and those who matter don't mind.
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Rednutinc;35719 Wrote:
Warpt762x39;35701 Wrote:The flyers have the laws and exactly where to find them on the books printed right on there. The closest you'll get to official is an explanation on letterhead from the AGs office.

The OP said he gave the guy "booklet". I'm just tryin to find out what it was or where he got it. Why is it so damn hard to find info in print? Considering we don't need to take a course or anything of the sort to get our license to carry, you'd think PA would at least send something with it the license for people to look at laws. How many people just get it and then walk around with a gun, not knowing the laws cuz they don't take the time to look online and they think its an all access pass?

Because it's your responsibility to know the law. Ignorance of the law is not an excuse. All you can do is educate yourself and those who are willing to listen. The rest can deal with the consequences on their own.
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