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Gun-Rights Leader: “We Snookered The Other Side – They Haven’t Figured It Out Yet”
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Quote:A prominent gun-rights advocate claims his group’s staff was in the room during the drafting of the recently unveiled proposal to expand gun-purchase background checks and said that “we snookered the other side — they haven’t figured it out yet.”

“It’s a Christmas tree,” Mr. Gottlieb said. “We just hung a million ornaments on it.”

“We’re taking the background check and making it a pro-gun bill,” he added. “Unfortunately, some of my colleagues haven’t quite figured it out yet because they weren’t sitting in the room writing it,” he continued.

“My staff was. I’ll be perfectly candid about it. This will probably break on Monday in the Wall Street Journal.”


Read more: http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2013...z2QStf75rP
It's the "BILL OF RIGHTS" not the bill of "needs"
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Wow! Might need to douse the torches for now......

Listen for the first 22 minutes TODAY before this makes nationwide news tomorrow:
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via Fox News

Quote:Manchin-Toomey deal could allow gun owners, sellers to carry, sell across state lines

The deal between Sens. Joe Manchin and Pat Toomey on the gun-controlled legislation scheduled for formal Senate debate next week could make it easier to carry concealed weapons across state lines.

The provision is part of the deal Manchin, D-W.V., and Toomey, R-Pa., reached earlier this week on background checks for gun buyers and will be among the first parts of the legislation that senators will consider.

The provision is similar to the Interstate Commerce Reform Act of 2012, which was sponsored by two Republicans -- Rep. Steve Scalise, Louisiana, and Sen. Orrin Hatch, Utah. The legislation failed despite strong support from the National Rifle Association.

The proposal essentially grants states "reciprocity" regarding concealed carry provisions.

In other words, the provision would grant gun owners the right to obtain a firearm and a concealed-carry permit in their home state, then use the permit to carry and conceal the firearm in another state.

Though many states have laws on buying firearms and concealed-carry permits, the federal provision, if adopted, could trump state laws.

The amendment states the gun owner must have been granted the permit within the past five years. However, a handful of states routinely grant lifetime permits.

The amendment also could give similar rights to firearms dealers, allowing them to sell in states beyond the one in which they were originally licensed.

Passing gun-control legislation has become a major part of President Obama’s second-term agenda since the December 2012 shootings at a Connecticut elementary school in which 20 first-graders and six adults were killed.

Americans appear to support some form of background checks to keep guns out the hands of criminals and the mentally ill, according to polls.

However, further gun control legislation has faced stiff opposition on Capitol Hill, with many Republicans and moderate Democrats saying voters in their home districts do not support such efforts.

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If we do get constitutional carry, I hope PA doesn't change their standards that we have to take a firearms course. I don't feel like dropping money on a course that will teach me stuff that I all ready know. I wouldn't be surprised if, like driver's licenses, you would have to pass a test prior to getting your LTCF. If that is the case, it would be nice if we wouldn't have to test after the first time, but reapply for our LTCFs and be in and out just like when you renew your DL.
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The more I think about it, the more this is a poison pill to Shmucky Shumers bill. OhBlowMe would be forced to either sign this, or the Dems would have to kill the bill in its entirety (Shumers bill). Would explain why Chuck-you at the last minute proposed his bill be rider free leaving Fineswine's amendment dead on the floor. Supposedly he's fuming.
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It's the "BILL OF RIGHTS" not the bill of "needs"
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I fear politicians bearing gifts, but this new information is compelling to say the least.

Thanks for posting this.
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Check out this blog: http://www.theulstermanreport.com and this blog entry there: http://theulstermanreport.com/2013/04/10...ntroversy/

The blogger in the above entry says "The trap is that the Senate wants to send something to the House and then have it stall there and spin that in the 24/7 news cycle about how out of touch and dysfunctional House Republicans are. That sets up 2014." I think it's plausible and possible.

Obama will whine, cry and scold the Congressional Republicans again for getting nothing done. The zombie ignorant apathetic brain washed masses will take the bait hook, line, sinker. Rather than seeing a deadlock on this issue as a favorable preservation of our current 2A rights the sheeple will shake their heads upset nothing was done in response to the Sandy Hook massacre
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Philadelphia Patriot;95678 Wrote:If we do get constitutional carry

Its not really 'constitutional carry' but sure would be sweet. However its one part that I would be more than surprised if it ever got passed.

Jon Doe;95703 Wrote:The blogger in the above entry says "The trap is that the Senate wants to send something to the House and then have it stall there and spin that in the 24/7 news cycle about how out of touch and dysfunctional House Republicans are. That sets up 2014." I think it's plausible and possible.

Much more than plausible and possible, I think its a stone called fact. Add to that their wet dream of the absolutists turning on the newly accused 'traitor' and nominating a even bigger idiot in the primaries that can't dream of getting elected in the general election. Just ask these fine Senators: Shrug

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Philadelphia Patriot;95678 Wrote:via Fox News

Quote:Manchin-Toomey deal could allow gun owners, sellers to carry, sell across state lines

The deal between Sens. Joe Manchin and Pat Toomey on the gun-controlled legislation scheduled for formal Senate debate next week could make it easier to carry concealed weapons across state lines.

The provision is part of the deal Manchin, D-W.V., and Toomey, R-Pa., reached earlier this week on background checks for gun buyers and will be among the first parts of the legislation that senators will consider.

The provision is similar to the Interstate Commerce Reform Act of 2012, which was sponsored by two Republicans -- Rep. Steve Scalise, Louisiana, and Sen. Orrin Hatch, Utah. The legislation failed despite strong support from the National Rifle Association.

The proposal essentially grants states "reciprocity" regarding concealed carry provisions.

In other words, the provision would grant gun owners the right to obtain a firearm and a concealed-carry permit in their home state, then use the permit to carry and conceal the firearm in another state.

Though many states have laws on buying firearms and concealed-carry permits, the federal provision, if adopted, could trump state laws.

The amendment states the gun owner must have been granted the permit within the past five years. However, a handful of states routinely grant lifetime permits.

The amendment also could give similar rights to firearms dealers, allowing them to sell in states beyond the one in which they were originally licensed.

Passing gun-control legislation has become a major part of President Obama’s second-term agenda since the December 2012 shootings at a Connecticut elementary school in which 20 first-graders and six adults were killed.

Americans appear to support some form of background checks to keep guns out the hands of criminals and the mentally ill, according to polls.

However, further gun control legislation has faced stiff opposition on Capitol Hill, with many Republicans and moderate Democrats saying voters in their home districts do not support such efforts.

Read more

If we do get constitutional carry, I hope PA doesn't change their standards that we have to take a firearms course. I don't feel like dropping money on a course that will teach me stuff that I all ready know. I wouldn't be surprised if, like driver's licenses, you would have to pass a test prior to getting your LTCF. If that is the case, it would be nice if we wouldn't have to test after the first time, but reapply for our LTCFs and be in and out just like when you renew your DL.

If this were inserted, it wouldn't be constitutional carry. It would just be a Federal allowance by law which could be repealed. In other words, it will be way more tenuous than abortion rights (which came from a SCOTUS decision).

If this managed to get into the bill by 51 votes they're gonna have to keep as much of the background check stuff in there as possible to get D's to vote for it. I dunno about you, but I'll take the background check expansions in exchange for finally being able to drive through Maryland carrying without having to go through Ohio to get around it.
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fuck this garbage.

first, I don't want federal laws trumping state laws on firearms agreements. the only way for this to be effective is if all states are forced to standardise the permitting process and that would effectively kill true constitutional carry. after all, a free man asks no one for permission. I would like to carry everywhere, obviously, but this is a can of worms and it will not end well for us.

second, I will never accept expanded background checks unless serial numbers are taken off of the 4473 and ffls are allowed to destroy their records after some time. there is no reason whatsoever for expanded background checks and the possibility for abuse is too great. what if the nics fee is raised to $3000? what if the computers are taken down for maintenance indefinitely?

the only changes to firearm laws I support are the repeal of the nfa and hughes amendment.
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