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HB2398
#11
ByblosHex;148492 Wrote:So, we should support it? I usually can figure these things out on my own but this one I find exceptionally confusing.
Me too.Shrug
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#12
(07-03-2014, 06:51 AM)bigdawgbeav Wrote:
ByblosHex;148427 Wrote:http://www.legis.state.pa.us/CFDOCS/Legi...98&pn=3919

It's late, I'm tired, I'm having a difficult time understanding exactly what the point of the proposed amendment to the pa ufa is. I know it's relevant to our collective interests.

This is a bill for PA to recognize EVERY state permit/license for concealed carry. No reciprocity required. However, PA will recognize every state, but it isn't the other way around.
Isn't there a part in there though that says the if the AG determines the states laws to be similar to ours? To me that makes it sound like it is still entirely in Kane's hands.
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#13
csmith;148503 Wrote:
(07-03-2014, 06:51 AM)bigdawgbeav Wrote: This is a bill for PA to recognize EVERY state permit/license for concealed carry. No reciprocity required. However, PA will recognize every state, but it isn't the other way around.
Isn't there a part in there though that says the if the AG determines the states laws to be similar to ours? To me that makes it sound like it is still entirely in Kane's hands.

I'm guessing some of that language is still there as it's the AG that works the reciprocity. But now the AG is only responsible for getting other states to recognize the PA LTCF as PA would recognize all permits, agreement or not.

Sounds good for everyone that doesn't live in PA
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#14
gnbrotz;148465 Wrote:Metcalfe is on board, so that should mean it's a gain for our side. I recognized one other R name too, that is usually on the right side of gun issues.

If Metcalfe is on board, then it's definitely good for us. It also probably more than likely will have something in it about the Bible, and how gays are bad. LOL
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#15
gnbrotz;148433 Wrote:My 5-second glance opinion is that it appears to loosen the restriction on car carry a bit and also lessen the severity of a violation.


Yes The following from a first degree to a third degree misdemenor:


(2) A person who is otherwise eligible to possess a
valid license under this chapter but carries a firearm in any
vehicle or any person who carries a firearm concealed on or about his person, except in his place of abode or fixed place
of business, without a valid and lawfully issued license and
has not committed any other criminal violation commits a
misdemeanor of the [first] thirddegree.



bigdawgbeav;148436 Wrote:This is a bill for PA to recognize EVERY state permit/license for concealed carry. No reciprocity required. However, PA will recognize every state, but it isn't the other way around.

Not the way I read it, the change only applies to non resident vehicle carry, regardless of an agreement with PA or not, which IIRC one of the Hobson fiasco's changed in the courts. This changes it back with clarity.

The whole thing just changes a few words in an existing statute. Words within the brackets removed and the words underlined inserted in their place.
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#16
soberbyker;148534 Wrote:~snip~




bigdawgbeav;148436 Wrote:This is a bill for PA to recognize EVERY state permit/license for concealed carry. No reciprocity required. However, PA will recognize every state, but it isn't the other way around.

Not the way I read it, the change only applies to non resident vehicle carry, regardless of an agreement with PA or not, which IIRC one of the Hobson fiasco's changed in the courts. This changes it back with clarity.

The whole thing just changes a few words in an existing statute. Words within the brackets removed and the words underlined inserted in their place.

Looking over this again and it appears bigdawg is correct, the word vehicle was within brackets meaning it was removed.

Quote:[person while carrying a firearm in any
vehicle, which person]

This entire part is also removed:


Quote:[(15) Any person who possesses a valid and lawfully
issued license or permit to carry a firearm which has been
issued under the laws of another state, regardless of whether
a reciprocity agreement exists between the Commonwealth and
the state under section 6109(k), provided:
(i) The state provides a reciprocal privilege for
individuals licensed to carry firearms under section
6109.
(ii) The Attorney General has determined that the
firearm laws of the state are similar to the firearm laws
of this Commonwealth.]
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#17
I'm going to see if I can motivate some more people on your guys side of the line to write some letters and things. Figuring out what is and isn't Kosher since Kane axed AZ and UT has been a god damned nightmare for out of staters.
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#18
Has anyone heard anything else about this? Looks like you guys are running out of session days and it's been totally quiet.
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