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Hello: Utah Man In Chicagoland
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Hello, my name is Connor. I'm a Utah resident, currently living in Chicagoland, but getting ready to move again in July. It looks very much like we're headed to Philadelphia. My wife is a pediatric nurse. She has applied for a Master's Degree at the University of Pennsylvania, and was accepted. Some things still need to happen, and we'll find out right before Christmas if this is set in stone, but in the meantime I thought I'd sign up over here and start becoming familiar with Pennsylvania, and Philadelphia, laws, etc. Anyways, enough about my wife, more about me.

Among other things, I am a firearms instructor. I am certified to teach NRA Basic Pistol and Utah Concealed Carry. I'm also in the waiting period for Illinois Concealed Carry and have paid for the NRA RSO course. I will be assisting in a Force on Force course in February, that I have taken as a student, and hope to be able to buy/obtain permission to teach in the future. I've also taken classes in defensive carbine, participated in Zombie Shoots, and practice sessions for IDPA and USPSA. I'm not done learning, and want to pick up more instructor credentials. I believe that the best way to be prepared is to study and practice.

I'm also very active in 2A issues and conversations, including being considered as a plaintiff in 2 lawsuits, but ultimately not being selected because there were stronger plaintiffs, both of which are in Illinois. In one of those cases the lead plaintiff is a Pennsylvania resident. I've also been in the fight at various town hall meetings organized by anti 2A politicians.

All of this started for me after finally deciding, "not ever again" in April 2011 when my business was robbed at gun point and my company's response was to lock the back door. The criminal walked in through the front door, and left through the front door. It didn't make any sense. At that time my oldest was only 10 months old. From that point on I decided I'd rather go down the same way I entered this world: kicking and screaming while covered in somebody else's blood. 10 years prior to that I survived a mass shooting in the Chevy's Mexican Grill in Midvale, Utah. I was working there as a busboy. A friend from high school, who was working as a server that night, is now a quadriplegic because he took a bullet to the back. The restaurant manager, who was new, was the first person shot, and was killed. The most disturbing thing about this incident is how helpless I felt. I'm a Marine Corp veteran, where I served as a Rifleman, but I couldn't effectively fight back. I didn't own a firearm, and never considered owning a firearm at that time. Even after the shooting I brushed off the incident as a bad wanting to do bad things, and that most people aren't like that.

As I indicated above, Never Again, and I'm pushing that in my own home, and with other family members. My mom obtained her Utah Concealed Carry permit the same time I did. We were in the same class, and applied in person at Utah BCI the same day. My wife just completed her first firearms course, NRA Basic Pistol, and has completed all training for Illinois Concealed Carry even though she can't obtain the permit at the moment because she, and I, are not Illinois residents. She's now asking me to teach her Utah Concealed Carry. My oldest son, who is 4, is already learning about firearms safety. We've had talks about how shooting bad guys is not something he should want to do, but shouldn't be afraid to do if the need arose. He wants to go shooting, but his arms are too short for those small .22lr rifles for children. In due time. This is a family that is getting ready to shoot together so that we can survive together.

I know. I'm throwing a lot out there, but the info I'm posting is something I think is relevant so you know where I'm coming from when I write my posts. If you have any questions please don't hesitate me.

Btw, I picked this forum because it supports tapatalk, unlike pafoa.
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Welcome to PA!

You'll find we're a bit more Utah than Illinois when it comes to the 2nd amendment.
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As much as we laugh at the anti laws Philadelphia attempts to enforce, you will feel much more welcome there than Chicago.
The law? The law is a human institution...
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Thanks for the welcome. I'm looking forward to being able to carry again. Although I'll be able to carry on my Utah permit, I will be getting the Pennsylvania permit in my way to Philadelphia. That is something I haven't been able to do since moving to Chicagoland, even after they passed concealed carry. Fortunately, as a nonresident of Illinois with a permit from my home state, I can keep a loaded firearm in my car. There is also "transporting" via FOID Card Act. My biggest irritation was purchasing ammo. There is no restriction on nonresidents buying handgun ammo. There are restrictions about buying long gun ammo, but it's possible. Nobody knows the law, so I'd either go to Wisconsin or have it shipped to me. Being able to purchase ammo unrestricted will be nice. Nonresidents in Illinois cannot obtain a FOID Card, except active duty military on orders to a base in Illinois.

However, and this must be stressed, Chicago has been great for learning about the 2A. There are a lot of purple passionate about 2A issues in Illinois. I've been blessed to get affiliated with great people, especially instructors, all of whom encouraged me to get more involved and also become an instructor myself.
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FYI, and perhaps you already know this but it needs to be said, as soon as you obtain your PA drivers license and are no longer a "Utah Resident" you will not be able to carry in Pennsylvania on your Utah permit. Sadly the process in Philadelphia to obtain a LTCF can be a bit lengthy and tedious. They don't exactly follow the law down there.
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I will not be obtaining the PA drivers license during the 2 years I'm in PA. Both my wife and I are keeping our Utah residency. There are federal laws that permit this in our situation. Using these laws we have been able to maintain our Utah residency during the 3 years we were in Virginia and the entire time we've been in Illinois. Thanks for the heads up though.
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Don't live in the city of Philadelphia move to the burbs less tax and more freedom and better chance of getting ccw permit. Remember 1 Nephi 3:7


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Is there a specific area, town, neighborhood you recommend? We're looking at the north side of Philadelphia, but we're not really impressed with what we're seeing on Zillow. My oldest child will be starting kindergarten right after we move out there. At the minimum, we'd like a 3 bedroom 2 bath for less than $2200/month. Garage is preferred so that I'll have some place for my gunsmithing benches. A location that permits freeway access to University of Pennsylvania School of Nursing and Cheltenham is needed.
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Look to Montgomery or bucks county lansdale, Souderton, north wales etc close to train if you want to take it in. Rt 309 connects to cheltenham. I'm in Souderton ward. Pm if you need help. All close to cheltenham and Philadelphia and better schools than philly. Plus in philly you pay a 4% income tax on top of the 3.25% state tax.


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