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i run as a firepolice with a vol. firecompany and i am new to cc and need to see if i pull up on a call and have my pistol on me if i am going to get the shaft for having it in me i have done some looking and cant find anything yet so i hope i can get some help here thanx
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#2
I believe it depends on your department's policy. I will do some research and see if I can turn up anything specific in the law, but I don't remember seeing anything specific about FP not being able to be armed. As long as you are carrying it for personal protection and not carrying it specifically for your job, and you have a LTCF, I am fairly certain you are good from a statutory standpoint, but, like I said, it is likely going to come down to your departments policy whether you get shit for it or not. You might try finding out if they have a policy.
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Ask the fire chief or deputy chief. If they say it is okay, just don't look like a strapper when you show up on a call. I say that respectfully too, I am not trying to be an a-hole. If you are directing traffic in fire police apparel and are OCing, people might consider you as a wanna be police officer. Again, I am saying this respectfully. I think anybody who open carries is NOT a strapper or wanna be cop, but when you add FIRE POLICE apparel, it MIGHT give off that impression. Just an observation.
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swamp8fox;13995 Wrote:i run as a firepolice with a vol. firecompany and i am new to cc and need to see if i pull up on a call and have my pistol on me if i am going to get the shaft for having it in me i have done some looking and cant find anything yet so i hope i can get some help here thanx

From what I can find, there is a course you have to go through to be a FP. Do you still have your notes from that? If so, they might include any legal restrictions to you carrying...
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#5
The only official state wording regarding FP and firearms is as follows:


http://www.concentric.net/~Maxfax/files/law1.htm (one of several sites with the same info)

Quote:Act of 1941, P.L. 137, No. 74

Amended July 11,198O. P.L. 580, No. 122

Section 1. Any volunteer fire company in any city, borough, town, township, or home rule municipality may NOMINATE any of its members as SPECIAL FIRE POLICE. All special fire police so nominated shall, before they enter their duties as such, be CONFIRMED by the Mayor of the city, the Mayor of the borough or town, the chairman of the board of commissioners or supervisors of the township, or the chief executive officer of a home rule municipality, as the case may be. When so confirmed and sworn and displaying a badge of authority, Shall have full power to regulate traffic and keep crowds under control at or in the vicinity of any fire at which their companies are in attendance and to exercise such other police powers as are NECESSARY in order to facilitate and prevent interference with the work of firemen in extinguishing fires, and, in addition, shall have the police powers necessary to perform their duties when functioning as special fire police at any function, event, or parade conducted by, and under the auspices of any volunteer fire company, or any event, function, or parade conducted by an organization other than a volunteer fire company, providing the request to perform these duties is made by the governing body of the city, borough, town, township or home rule municipality, in which the event will be conducted, or when accidents, floods, or any other emergency requiring performance of such traffic control and crowd control duties. Such duties may be performed WITHOUT PRIOR REOUEST of the governing body until the arrival of proper state, city, borough, town, township, or home rule municipality police authority until the emergency no longer exists. A person functioning as special fire police and performing a duty under any of the above conditions, shall be deemed to be performing the duties of his employment. Fire police performing such duties shall be identifiable by, at minimum, the wearing of a distinctive arm band or hat or uniform or insignia. Under no circumstances shall this act be construed to grant special fire police the right and / or power to use firearms or other weapons in the exercise of special fire police powers granted hereunder .

Section 2. Whenever any volunteer fire company is in attendance on a fire, or when such special fire police are on special duty as herein before provided, such special fire police in any city, borough, town or township other than the one in which such fire company is organized shall have the same power and authority in such other city, borough, town or township as they would have in that, which they were appointed.

Section 3. All special fire police when on duty shall display a badge of authority and shall be subject to control of the chief of police, if any, of the city, borough, town or township in which they are serving, or, if none, of a member of the Pennsylvania State Police.

Like a few others have said, it's probably up to the chief, but under no circumstances can it appear you are using the firearm as part of your uniform or duties. I was a volunteer for several years many moons ago, driver/pump operator and FP, I can't recall anything other than what's mentioned above ever coming up about firearms.
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soberbyker;15788 Wrote: The only official state wording regarding FP and firearms is as follows:


http://www.concentric.net/~Maxfax/files/law1.htm (one of several sites with the same info)

Quote:Act of 1941, P.L. 137, No. 74

Amended July 11,198O. P.L. 580, No. 122

Section 1. Any volunteer fire company in any city, borough, town, township, or home rule municipality may NOMINATE any of its members as SPECIAL FIRE POLICE. All special fire police so nominated shall, before they enter their duties as such, be CONFIRMED by the Mayor of the city, the Mayor of the borough or town, the chairman of the board of commissioners or supervisors of the township, or the chief executive officer of a home rule municipality, as the case may be. When so confirmed and sworn and displaying a badge of authority, Shall have full power to regulate traffic and keep crowds under control at or in the vicinity of any fire at which their companies are in attendance and to exercise such other police powers as are NECESSARY in order to facilitate and prevent interference with the work of firemen in extinguishing fires, and, in addition, shall have the police powers necessary to perform their duties when functioning as special fire police at any function, event, or parade conducted by, and under the auspices of any volunteer fire company, or any event, function, or parade conducted by an organization other than a volunteer fire company, providing the request to perform these duties is made by the governing body of the city, borough, town, township or home rule municipality, in which the event will be conducted, or when accidents, floods, or any other emergency requiring performance of such traffic control and crowd control duties. Such duties may be performed WITHOUT PRIOR REOUEST of the governing body until the arrival of proper state, city, borough, town, township, or home rule municipality police authority until the emergency no longer exists. A person functioning as special fire police and performing a duty under any of the above conditions, shall be deemed to be performing the duties of his employment. Fire police performing such duties shall be identifiable by, at minimum, the wearing of a distinctive arm band or hat or uniform or insignia. Under no circumstances shall this act be construed to grant special fire police the right and / or power to use firearms or other weapons in the exercise of special fire police powers granted hereunder .

Section 2. Whenever any volunteer fire company is in attendance on a fire, or when such special fire police are on special duty as herein before provided, such special fire police in any city, borough, town or township other than the one in which such fire company is organized shall have the same power and authority in such other city, borough, town or township as they would have in that, which they were appointed.

Section 3. All special fire police when on duty shall display a badge of authority and shall be subject to control of the chief of police, if any, of the city, borough, town or township in which they are serving, or, if none, of a member of the Pennsylvania State Police.

Like a few others have said, it's probably up to the chief, but under no circumstances can it appear you are using the firearm as part of your uniform or duties. I was a volunteer for several years many moons ago, driver/pump operator and FP, I can't recall anything other than what's mentioned above ever coming up about firearms.

There you go. That seems to confirm what I said, having it for personal protection, with a LTCF, and not inferring in any way that it is used as part of your job, you are legal. Whether you get crap for having it from a department standpoint is up to your department...
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#7
Heh. Learn something new every day.

In all of my years I've never heard the term "fire police".
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#8
thanx everyone and yes emptymag there all around this area in south central pa
swamp8fox, proud to be a member of pa2a.org since Sep 2012.
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Emptymag;16867 Wrote:Heh. Learn something new every day.

In all of my years I've never heard the term "fire police".

I was a volunteer firefighter and fire police when I was younger and in much better shape. It's amazing the actual power the FP have when called out.

Most of the time it was BS.

At a fire scene we mostly took care of people/traffic control. We'd also get called out a lot by the cops when they were short handed at an accident scene for traffic control while they investigated. They'd use us to close some of the more hilly area roads during snow/ice storms until the highway dept could get the roads salted.

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