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How Not to Look Like an Idiot When Writing About Firearms
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Mistaken Labels and Terms – The Journalists’ Guide to Guns – SHARE THIS!
by Administrator on September 11, 2014
Some good points. das



How Not to Look Like an Idiot When Writing About Firearms
By Ben Langlotz

(Editor Note: Ben Langholtz is the nation’s leading firearms patent and trademark attorney, and the author of “The Bulletproof Firearms Business” available on Amazon. Ben is also a pro-bono attorney for our industry organization the National Shooting Sports Federation and has been a lifetime defender and supporter of firearms freedom.)

Journalists. Bless their hearts. As a rule of thumb, any time we read a news story about a subject or incident we already know a lot about, it turns out that about 25% of what’s reported is simply wrong.

This is why knowledgeable gun owners distrust many news stories involving guns: because too many “journalists” display an ignorance of firearms that would be laughable if it weren’t so appalling. If they can’t get their facts straight about gun technology and shooting, then we don’t trust them on much else. http://www.gunsamerica.com/blog/journalists-guide-guns/
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I beg to differ with Mr. Langlotz. According to the NRA magazines are, and for more than 100 years have been, referred to as, 'clips', here, in the United States and Europe. More than 60 years ago my, 'uncles', who were all returned WWII or Korea United States Marines referred to pistol magazines as clips; and there was never a hint of confusion on any of the firing lines where I learned to shoot.

Until the early 90's and the advent of popular internet gun forums nobody I knew ever had a problem with calling magazines, clips; or clips, magazines. The two terms were 100% interchangeable. Strictly speaking, are clips different from magazines; and are magazines different from clips? Of course there are differences; but, before the early 90's anyone who distinctly called out these differences would have been considered to be, either, a nitpicking pedant or, (to use the popular phrase) 'anal retentive'.

We, all, knew the differences; and didn't need some wise guy to point them out to us. M1 Garands took clips; and M1 carbines took magazines - So what! If a Marine were out of ammo and needed reload, the shout, 'Give me another clip!' would get him ammo for whatever he was holding: rifle, carbine, M-3, Thompson, 1911-A1, or whatever! (Originally, none of this was, 'rocket science'; and everybody simply understood.)

Then, along came internet gun forums with lots and lots of competing personalities, and lots and lots of really big egos. All of a sudden if someone were to call a clip a magazine, or a magazine a clip an on-line wisecrack or a pedantic explanation, 3 or 4 paragraphs long, would be sure to follow. Well, ....... 'This leopard, for one, ain't changing his spots.' None of the excellent riflemen and pistoleros who taught me how to shoot, back when I was young, had a problem with any of this; and, today, neither do I.

If someone knows which end of a gun the bullet comes out of, then, he should also know what to load that gun with; and in the, 'fog of war' nobody, 'splits hairs' or minces words over any such trivial literalities. THAT only happens on internet gun forums. Personally, I shall continue to agree with the NRA/ILA: While technical differences between clips and magazines DO EXIST, in an historical sense, it really doesn't matter what someone calls either one. Except, of course, on internet gun forums where the precise distinctions between the two seem to be very very important! Wink

http://www.nraila.org/glossary.aspx
L'enfer c’est les autres, et les choses terribles qu'ils font!'  -  Jean-Paul Sartre  
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Stinger;159400 Wrote:Except, of course, on internet gun forums where the precise distinctions between the two seem to be very very important! Wink

It's only important if you care about being accurate. Many don't, which is why we have reporters talking about those high capacity clips that go in your automatic pistol, or assault rifle.
Vampire pig man since September 2012
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Stinger;159400 Wrote:I beg to differ with Mr. Langlotz. According to the NRA magazines are, and for more than 100 years have been, referred to as, 'clips', here, in the United States and Europe. More than 60 years ago my, 'uncles', who were all returned WWII or Korea United States Marines referred to pistol magazines as clips; and there was never a hint of confusion on any of the firing lines where I learned to shoot.

Until the early 90's and the advent of popular internet gun forums nobody I knew ever had a problem with calling magazines, clips; or clips, magazines. The two terms were 100% interchangeable. Strictly speaking, are clips different from magazines; and are magazines different from clips? Of course there are differences; but, before the early 90's anyone who distinctly called out these differences would have been considered to be, either, a nitpicking pedant or, (to use the popular phrase) 'anal retentive'.

We, all, knew the differences; and didn't need some wise guy to point them out to us. M1 Garands took clips; and M1 carbines took magazines - So what! If a Marine were out of ammo and needed reload, the shout, 'Give me another clip!' would get him ammo for whatever he was holding: rifle, carbine, M-3, Thompson, 1911-A1, or whatever! (Originally, none of this was, 'rocket science'; and everybody simply understood.)

Then, along came internet gun forums with lots and lots of competing personalities, and lots and lots of really big egos. All of a sudden if someone were to call a clip a magazine, or a magazine a clip an on-line wisecrack or a pedantic explanation, 3 or 4 paragraphs long, would be sure to follow. Well, ....... 'This leopard, for one, ain't changing his spots.' None of the excellent riflemen and pistoleros who taught me how to shoot, back when I was young, had a problem with any of this; and, today, neither do I.

If someone knows which end of a gun the bullet comes out of, then, he should also know what to load that gun with; and in the, 'fog of war' nobody, 'splits hairs' or minces words over any such trivial literalities. THAT only happens on internet gun forums. Personally, I shall continue to agree with the NRA/ILA: While technical differences between clips and magazines DO EXIST, in an historical sense, it really doesn't matter what someone calls either one. Except, of course, on internet gun forums where the precise distinctions between the two seem to be very very important! Wink

http://www.nraila.org/glossary.aspx

WWII vets probably mistakenly called magazines "clips" because their M1 garands actually DID use clips. Just because a lot of people make the same mistake, doesn't make it correct.

As for people nitpicking and getting upset about it, welcome to the internet. Is this your first day? Wink
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Rolleyes It must be a reading comprehension problem - Huh! Hey, as long as whatever you're suffering from isn't airborne I truly don't care what you call your clips and magazines.

(Just out of curiosity, though, did you open the NRA/ILA link at the bottom of my reply? Maybe you should write to LaPierre and set him straight, too! I'm sure the ILA would appreciate sharing your input.) Wink
L'enfer c’est les autres, et les choses terribles qu'ils font!'  -  Jean-Paul Sartre  
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