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I am ready to buy a safe, I have a ton of questions.
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My tax return came in and I am ready to begin shopping for a safe so I wanted to discuss my options. My price range is approximately $600. I am not really in a position to spend much more than that, so please refrain from telling me I need to spend $1500-$5000 for a decent safe since I don't have that kind of money. I would also like to keep the weight of the safe in the 300 pound range since I have been given a spot on the second floor to keep it and I am concerned about moving much more weight up a flight of stairs. I am also looking for a capacity of at least 24 long guns, more would be better. Keep in mind I am into collecting war-relics, I already own a M91/30 Mosin Nagant so it needs to have enough height to properly store rifles like this. Finally I would prefer to spend my money on a safe that is manufactured in America.

Doing some independent research I came across the Liberty Centurion 24 http://www.lowes.com/pd_387167-10283-CN24-BKT_0__. It has everything I want but before I go buying it I wanted to see if better options exist and if I should get my safe somewhere else other than Lowes. So if you have a retailer that would give me a better price or a different model safe that might be better please suggest it. Now down to the technical questions, mainly how do I safely move this safe. I have decided to move the safe from the store to my home on my own since I think it's ridiculous to pay several hundred bucks to have it delivered but just to the curb. I have access to my fathers Ford Edge and it has the trailer hitch package from the factory (I believe it's classified as a Class III 5000 pounds) so I am thinking of renting a U-Haul enclosed trailer for $20 and getting the proper ball/hitch combo so I can hook up a trailer. I have some experience operating pick up's and rack body trucks with loads but I never towed something and have absolutely no experience with them. So what do I need to know about the ball/hitch, hooking up the trailer to my vehicle and driving with it? I believe U-Haul sells trailer hitches/balls so I will see if I can get one from them.

My last question involves moving the safe from the first floor to the second floor without killing myself or destroying the house. I, a friend of mine and my father will be available for the move. I was thinking of renting one of those carts they move refrigerators with from U-Haul and pulling it up one step at a time. I will have one person at the bottom pushing up with another person at top pulling. I don't know if that's the best method so let me know if a better method exist.

That's about it, thanks. Smile
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FYI you will pretty much never fit 24 long guns in a 24 gun safe, unless they are all lever actions or single shots with no scopes. Any gun that has a scope, pistol grip, large bolt handle or other protrusion will take up the space of at least 2 guns. A 24 gun safe will hold 12-15 long guns on average. Of course, you could cram a few more in there, but they will be touching and leaning against eachother, and they'll all probably topple over when you go to remove one.

As for moving it, I would just use a pickup truck and 3 people. If that's absolutely not an option, then a Uhaul trailer should work. If you don't know a lot about hitches, just tell the Uhaul place and they will hook everything up for you.

For going up the stairs, those appliance dollies work well. Get this kind:

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Notice the rollers? Those are meant for going up and down stairs. It's really not difficult to do if you have 3 people. Heck, you could do it with two, but it's better to have and extra person there for safety, in case someone slips.
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bac0nfat;88363 Wrote:FYI you will pretty much never fit 24 long guns in a 24 gun safe, unless they are all lever actions or single shots with no scopes. Any gun that has a scope, pistol grip, large bolt handle or other protrusion will take up the space of at least 2 guns. A 24 gun safe will hold 12-15 long guns on average. Of course, you could cram a few more in there, but they will be touching and leaning against eachother, and they'll all probably topple over when you go to remove one.

As for moving it, I would just use a pickup truck and 3 people. If that's absolutely not an option, then a Uhaul trailer should work. If you don't know a lot about hitches, just tell the Uhaul place and they will hook everything up for you.

For going up the stairs, those appliance dollies work well. Get this kind:

[Image: dolly.jpg]

Notice the rollers? Those are meant for going up and down stairs. It's really not difficult to do if you have 3 people. Heck, you could do it with two, but it's better to have and extra person there for safety, in case someone slips.

Bacon that was very helpful, thank you. Sadly I aware the 24 long arm rating is a lie and I would like to get something that can truly hold 24 long guns. However I expect such a safe to cost well over $1000 and weigh over 600 pounds. Right now I have 4 long guns and 3 of them of carbines (16" barrels) so hopefully this will last me a few years.
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Is there any way you'd consider putting your safe in the basement? That's where ours is because 1) if the house burns down, it's going to end up in the basement anyway 2) the weight of the thing and 3) we have it secured to the cement floor and block wall.

If you have a Tractor Supply nearby, take a look in there at safes. When we bought ours a few years ago, they carried Cannon safes. Ours was around your price range. We had looked at Dicks and Dunhams--all theirs were made in China; the Cannon one we bought was made in Mexico.

A feature ours has that I like is that there is an electrical outlet inside. We have one of those Golden Rods dehumidifiers in it. The outlet makes it convenient to plug in.

I totally agree with BaconFat on how many guns you'll actually be able to fit in it.

Tractor Supply put the safe in the back of our truck for us. My husband bought the heaviest duty appliance dolly we could find. (I think we spent something like $70 on the dolly, but now we have it) He carefully unloaded and brought the safe in by himself. No steps, though.
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I'm armed;88375 Wrote:Is there any way you'd consider putting your safe in the basement? That's where ours is because 1) if the house burns down, it's going to end up in the basement anyway 2) the weight of the thing and 3) we have it secured to the cement floor and block wall.

If you have a Tractor Supply nearby, take a look in there at safes. When we bought ours a few years ago, they carried Cannon safes. Ours was around your price range. We had looked at Dicks and Dunhams--all theirs were made in China; the Cannon one we bought was made in Mexico.

A feature ours has that I like is that there is an electrical outlet inside. We have one of those Golden Rods dehumidifiers in it. The outlet makes it convenient to plug in.

I totally agree with BaconFat on how many guns you'll actually be able to fit in it.

Tractor Supply put the safe in the back of our truck for us. My husband bought the heaviest duty appliance dolly we could find. (I think we spent something like $70 on the dolly, but now we have it) He carefully unloaded and brought the safe in by himself. No steps, though.

The problem is I don't have a basement, we just have a crawl space. Originally I was going to put the safe in our attached garage but for obvious reasons I was able to convince my family to bring it indoors. Someone else mentioned Tractor Supply and I will have to look into them. The thing I like about this safe is it gives me features/capacity no other safe seems to offer in this price. I have yet to find a safe for $600 that will give me a pass through for a electrical, with this much capacity, American manufacture and even some fire protection.
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