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I don't not see 'little green men'
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Something is coming, its important that we arent the first to act or else we lose legitimacy.
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Philadelphia Patriot;72922 Wrote:
bogey1;72914 Wrote:Did you see what big bro was doing in miami last night?

Get ready...

That happened back in May 2012

FreelHuh I just saw the video today. Thought it happened last night, wth...

Well it happened...Wink.
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(01-28-2013, 03:58 PM)bogey1 Wrote:
Philadelphia Patriot;72922 Wrote:That happened back in May 2012

FreelHuh I just saw the video today. Thought it happened last night, wth...

Well it happened...Wink.

I'm missing something what happened

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bogey1;72970 Wrote:
Philadelphia Patriot;72922 Wrote:That happened back in May 2012

FreelHuh I just saw the video today. Thought it happened last night, wth...

Well it happened...Wink.

Read the whole thread my friend, evidently it did happen in May but it also happened last night.ShrugHuh
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billamj;72981 Wrote:
bogey1;72970 Wrote:FreelHuh I just saw the video today. Thought it happened last night, wth...

Well it happened...Wink.

Read the whole thread my friend, evidently it did happen in May but it also happened last night.ShrugHuh

This happened January 25 th in Miami:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=pla...i9ioCbqJCU#!

This happened May 2012:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j1BhRNfY1lo
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And, this happened last Thursday night, January 24, 2013.

Miami Last Thursday Night
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BobFromBucks;73095 Wrote:And, this happened last Thursday night, January 24, 2013.

Miami Last Thursday Night

Remember when the US military used to do on-base training and had training centers? Oh wait, those are still running?
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Pa.Bill;72935 Wrote:
Connal;72927 Wrote:Was it this tense back in 94? I was quite young back then, so I wasn't aware of much going on politically.

It just seems to me that things are a little more tense than they should be.

Very different in 1994. We were not as organized as we are now.
NRA did what it could but it was all by snail mail to us or information from Amerian Rifleman.
Also the news media was not 'pushing' it then as now.
And most important--State, City, Local Government was not Publicly
standing against the Federal Law, And we are yelling for our Rights Together-- then it was one by one.

Agreed. We lacked the internet, IIRC electronic commo was mostly Bulletin Board Services (BBS), Shotgun News was the communal posting venue. American Rifleman & Hunter were also major right wing outlets, but SG was the big one.

One item in the 1990s that's still around: shortwave radio. The events in Idaho, Texas & Montana were covered on SW, and provided counterweight to the usual left-leaning media. By the Montana standoff, militia groups were mobilizing to render assistance. It had been resolved before effective force had arrived. From my perspective, I suspect 1992-96 is the closest we've come to an all-out shooting civil war, April 19, 1995 notwithstanding.

One major difference between 1994 and now: no one outside of a certain Major Owens (D-NY) in 1992 made any overt motion to eliminate gun rights. 1994 was all about banning offensive appearance and magazine capacity. It was mostly symbolic, but it double-backfired. It drove otherwise indifferent people to panic buy guns, and the Ds paid for it big time in the mid term elections.

And the survival movement was fringe area interest, the segue between mainstream and outright lunacy. 9/11/2001 made the survival mindset mainstream, so we've passed that checkpoint already.

I have noticed with each gun control push, the voices (particularly from the left) are louder, more threatening and demand more sacrifices (all reasonable, and not infringing on the second amendment, mind you).

I see some alarming similarities: people are panic-buying (no biggie by itself....BUT) the re-emergence of militias, and a growing sense of impatience and intolerance. Should this continue unabated, it will not have a happy ending.

This isn't political compromise, it's a slow, time lapsed crash. The left offers nothing in return, they try to get us to believe the ends justify the means, and if we only give in it'll be rainbows & unicorn poop cookies for everyone. If we don't get out of the defense-only footing, this will continue to be a slow process of attrition. If things continue unchanged, it will only be a matter of time.

Connal;72927 Wrote:Was it this tense back in 94?

Not at first. The initial mindset was civil & electorate only. The events in Texas/Idaho/Montana caused a lot of folks to be concerned that it wouldn't have a peaceful ending. And if you'll recall, in each instance .gov went looking for a fight, and then blamed the conflagration on the recipients. Nearly everyone bought .gov's story of what happened in Texas, but not so with Idaho (3+ million settlement to the surviving family members, no admission of .gov wrongdoing) and by 1996, no more peasant-filled shooting galleries for Uncle Sam. It also gave rise to the idea that the left is inciting the violence to suit its own purposes.
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#29
PA Rifleman;73134 Wrote:
Pa.Bill;72935 Wrote:Very different in 1994. We were not as organized as we are now.
NRA did what it could but it was all by snail mail to us or information from Amerian Rifleman.
Also the news media was not 'pushing' it then as now.
And most important--State, City, Local Government was not Publicly
standing against the Federal Law, And we are yelling for our Rights Together-- then it was one by one.

Agreed. We lacked the internet, IIRC electronic commo was mostly Bulletin Board Services (BBS), Shotgun News was the communal posting venue. American Rifleman & Hunter were also major right wing outlets, but SG was the big one.

One item in the 1990s that's still around: shortwave radio. The events in Idaho, Texas & Montana were covered on SW, and provided counterweight to the usual left-leaning media. By the Montana standoff, militia groups were mobilizing to render assistance. It had been resolved before effective force had arrived. From my perspective, I suspect 1992-96 is the closest we've come to an all-out shooting civil war, April 19, 1995 notwithstanding.

One major difference between 1994 and now: no one outside of a certain Major Owens (D-NY) in 1992 made any overt motion to eliminate gun rights. 1994 was all about banning offensive appearance and magazine capacity. It was mostly symbolic, but it double-backfired. It drove otherwise indifferent people to panic buy guns, and the Ds paid for it big time in the mid term elections.

And the survival movement was fringe area interest, the segue between mainstream and outright lunacy. 9/11/2001 made the survival mindset mainstream, so we've passed that checkpoint already.

I have noticed with each gun control push, the voices (particularly from the left) are louder, more threatening and demand more sacrifices (all reasonable, and not infringing on the second amendment, mind you).

I see some alarming similarities: people are panic-buying (no biggie by itself....BUT) the re-emergence of militias, and a growing sense of impatience and intolerance. Should this continue unabated, it will not have a happy ending.

This isn't political compromise, it's a slow, time lapsed crash. The left offers nothing in return, they try to get us to believe the ends justify the means, and if we only give in it'll be rainbows & unicorn poop cookies for everyone. If we don't get out of the defense-only footing, this will continue to be a slow process of attrition. If things continue unchanged, it will only be a matter of time.

Connal;72927 Wrote:Was it this tense back in 94?

Not at first. The initial mindset was civil & electorate only. The events in Texas/Idaho/Montana caused a lot of folks to be concerned that it wouldn't have a peaceful ending. And if you'll recall, in each instance .gov went looking for a fight, and then blamed the conflagration on the recipients. Nearly everyone bought .gov's story of what happened in Texas, but not so with Idaho (3+ million settlement to the surviving family members, no admission of .gov wrongdoing) and by 1996, no more peasant-filled shooting galleries for Uncle Sam. It also gave rise to the idea that the left is inciting the violence to suit its own purposes.

I'm guessing you were talking about WACO & Ruby Ridge. The Government was found wrong on both. You could understand WACO a little. But RUBY RIDGE was ridicules. ATF out & out killed those people. The action of many of the ATF'ers resigning after it was all over tells the real tail ~BEST~
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Pa.Bill;73137 Wrote:I'm guessing you were talking about WACO & Ruby Ridge. The Government was found wrong on both. You could understand WACO a little. But RUBY RIDGE was ridicules. ATF out & out killed those people. The action of many of the ATF'ers resigning after it was all over tells the real tail ~BEST~

I just want to know where ol' Lon Horiuchi is today......

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