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Intelligence Squared Debate: Has the 2A lost its usefulness?
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On tonight at 6:45. Two heavy-hitters for the home-team: Eugene Volokh of UCLA and David Kopel from the Cato Institute.

Alan Dershowitz and Sanford Levinson take the anti-2A side.

Live streaming video of the debate can be seen here:

http://intelligencesquaredus.org/debates...usefulness



THURSDAY, NOVEMBER 14, 2013
“A well regulated Militia being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms shall not be infringed.” –2nd Amendment

Recent mass shooting tragedies have renewed the national debate over the 2nd Amendment. Gun ownership and homicide rates are higher in the U.S. than in any other developed nation, but gun violence has decreased over the last two decades even as gun ownership may be increasing. Over 200 years have passed since James Madison introduced the Bill of Rights, the country has changed, and so have its guns. Is the right to bear arms now at odds with the common good, or is it as necessary today as it was in 1789?
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Johannes_Paulsen;125453 Wrote:On tonight at 6:45. Two heavy-hitters for the home-team: Eugene Volokh of UCLA and David Kopel from the Cato Institute.

Alan Dershowitz and Sanford Levinson take the anti-2A side.

Live streaming video of the debate can be seen here:

http://intelligencesquaredus.org/debates...usefulness



THURSDAY, NOVEMBER 14, 2013
“A well regulated Militia being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms shall not be infringed.” –2nd Amendment

Recent mass shooting tragedies have renewed the national debate over the 2nd Amendment. Gun ownership and homicide rates are higher in the U.S. than in any other developed nation, but gun violence has decreased over the last two decades even as gun ownership may be increasing. Over 200 years have passed since James Madison introduced the Bill of Rights, the country has changed, and so have its guns. Is the right to bear arms now at odds with the common good, or is it as necessary today as it was in 1789?

So basically, from the way the media spins it... gun crime is up because of guns. So, in keeping with our constitution and heritage, instead of giving up our guns, we should organize militias to stop gun crime. I'm down.
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Quote:...but gun violence has decreased over the last two decades even as gun ownership may be increasing.

So basically the liberals are trying to promote gun control via emotions rather than facts. Dodgy


Quote:Over 200 years have passed since James Madison introduced the Bill of Rights, the country has changed, and so have its guns. Is the right to bear arms now at odds with the common good, or is it as necessary today as it was in 1789?

If anything, it's more necessary today.
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Philadelphia Patriot;125467 Wrote:
Quote:...but gun violence has decreased over the last two decades even as gun ownership may be increasing.

So basically the liberals are trying to promote gun control via emotions rather than facts. Dodgy

The only 'fact' that holds water on the left is that, yes, if you could make all the guns disappear, there would be no gun crime. True, as far as that goes, but irrelevant, since getting to that point would require gutting the Bill of Rights even beyond the second amendment.

I am curious to hear what Sanford Levinson is going to say, since he wrote an article (20 years ago, anyway,) that actually got the ball rolling on second amendment scholarship. I suspect his argument is going to be:

* People should be able to own *some* guns, but evil black rifles should be banned.
* The second amendment keeps Congress from passing such a law -- and besides we can't gut the second without gutting the rest of the bill of rights.
* Therefore, we must repeal/amend the second amendment to allow those 'reasonable' restrictions.

But we'll see.
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Quote:Over 200 years have passed since James Madison introduced the Bill of Rights, the country has changed, and so have its guns. Is the right to bear arms now at odds with the common good, or is it as necessary today as it was in 1789?

If anything, it's more necessary today.

Same sh*t, different day.
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Watching now... and the New York audience votes... i'm pretty sure I know who's winning.
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The online audience voted 98% - 2% in favor of 2A
The local audience (looks like a few hundred) was very different from the much larger online pool (48,500) since 2/3 of them were antis to begin with.
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Never got the chance to finish watching. Color me surprised

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