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Iowa blind to carry guns
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http://www.foxnews.com/us/2013/09/08/iow...p=trending

How do you train a blind person to retain enough control and awareness to be able to avoid someone stealing their open carry weapon?


Quote:No one could see this coming.
Iowa is giving people who are blind permits that will allow them to purchase guns or to carry firearms in public, the Des Moines Register reports.
The permits are legal, as Iowa law does not deny anyone the right to carry a weapon based on physical disability.
But, the paper reports, the dilemma comes for law enforcement officials who are trying to ensure public safety.
Advocates for the disabled are split over the decision.

“When you shoot a gun, you take it out and point and shoot, and I don't necessarily think eyesight is necessary.”
- Michael Barber

Some insist blind people can be taught to use guns, and blocking any visually impaired person from obtaining a weapons permit would violate the Americans with Disabilities Act.
Still, others say owning a gun may be the one exception where the blind should be treated differently than individuals who have their sight.
It’s not new for Iowans who are visually impaired to own guns and even hunt, according to the Des Moines Register. But what’s different is that changes in the law in 2011 now make it possible for them to carry firearms in public.


Read more: http://www.foxnews.com/us/2013/09/08/iow...z2eKElu115


Love how the article starts out with the lame joke.....
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#2
Blind people should be allowed to carry. Scenario: A blind guy is walking down the street and some punk goes up to him and says, "Hey old man, give me your wallet or I'll shank you!" From what I have heard, blind people have a more alerted sense of hearing since they rely on that since their vision is gone. If the voice is coming from a person standing in front of the blind person and they are able to tell the guy is 3 feet away, then the blind person should be able to pull out his firearm and fire a round. HOWEVER, just like ordinary citizens, blind people need to practice.
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RugerGirl;118008 Wrote:How do you train a blind person to retain enough control and awareness to be able to avoid someone stealing their open carry weapon?

The same way you determine if the sighted have an "appropriate" level of training to open carry: You don't. You mind your own damn business, and stay the hell out of theirs, unless or until they commit an illegal act.
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I don't care if you are blind, deaf and have no arms or legs; you still have the right to keep and bear arms.
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If a blind person has the same rights, do they have the same responsibilities in using their firearm?

That is, are they responsible to identify their target, determine what is near and behind the target, and to ensure that an innocent person doesn't get between themselves and their target?

If so, how are they to do that?

How do they determine that a threat has surrendered, and that deadly force is no longer justified? Does the fact that they cannot reliably do so by visual means relieve them of the duty to stand down?
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gascolator;118068 Wrote:If so, how are they to do that?

Simple. they don't and they can't. What we have here is the usual absolutist view of rights on the internet, which of course is fine and dandy in theory. Real life? Not so much.

Edit - I assume we are talking blind blind as in can't see jack crap as opposed to 'legal' blind where they may still be able to see well enough for some things.
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You don't have to identify a target or any of that crap. That's all made up bullshit. If you're in fear of your life and a reasonable person in simular circumstances would shoot then you're covered. Why this is an issue is beyond me. Blind people have in fact successfully protected themselves from assualt and murder using a firearm. Rather or not you I or the guy down the street understands how is not relevant. Furthermore, I have zero duty to keep a thief from stealing my gun out of my holster. Zero.. it isnt his and he knows it but I don't have to fight to the death to prevent him from taking it.

Further furthermore a permit isn't an license to use a firearm in the first place. Its a permit to carry one or have on within ones possession. Normal guy owns guns. Normal guy loses sight. Normal guy wants to take his prized .45 $1million dollar luger to his friend's house to show it off. He gets on the bus. Gets stopped. No permit he goes to jail. So what the fuck is everyone so uptight about that they want the blind guy showing off his collection to a friend to go to jail? Morons still haven't figured out unintended consequences. .

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gascolator;118068 Wrote:If so, how are they to do that?

Simple. they don't and they can't. What we have here is the usual absolutist view of rights on the internet, which of course is fine and dandy in theory. Real life? Not so much.

Edit - I assume we are talking blind blind as in can't see jack crap as opposed to 'legal' blind where they may still be able to see well enough for some things.

Oh please dave tell us how many blind people are shooting up the streets? Oh please let me know why a blind person can't be trusted and do us all a favor and stick to the blind guy and not Muslims. . Tell me why you'd be hell bent to see a blind guy turn in his guns or not be allowed to travel with it or shoot it? I've seen many a blind folded .45 cowboy revolver shooting at 25 yard hit cans shoot better than 100% of everyone i have ever met.. quick throw their asses in jail they were holding a gun while they couldn't see and actually shot it! Oooohhh scary. Hypocrites abound.
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bac0nfat;118021 Wrote:I don't care if you are blind, deaf and have no arms or legs; you still have the right to keep and bear arms.

Bingo. However the megalomaniac narcissists here don't understand they have no right to control others unless others do harm.
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FTR I wasn't saying they shouldn't have the right....I was just a little curious about how safe it is for a guy to be tapping along the side walk with his white cane while he has a big .45 on his back hip in full view of anyone who wants to take it.

I also wasn't sure how he would do if he had to make sure his target was clear....it is hard for sighted people to hit the target and ONLY the target in public...I just thought it would be more difficult for a blind person.

On the other hand I can think of times, such as dark parking lots or walks in a park at night that it would be good for them to carry a gun. So I'm not saying they shouldn't...I guess I just hope this is for concealed carry and not open carry. I would hate to be a blind person and have my own gun used against me in a robbery.
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The assumption that a blind guy open carrying couldn't defend his firearm and himself better than a sighted person is arrogant. There are plenty of really poor shooters and ignorant people that open carry, there are plenty of ninja senses peolle that will have brain farts that make them about as situational aware as a comatose patient. Furthermore a true expert at stealing will certainly be able to steal anyones firearm. Anyones.. those guys that steal watches for entertainment would get your gun and you'd probably not notice for a while. If I want your gun or to harm you unless you truly are a ninja, you're probably gonna lose. A rock to the back of the head is all that is typically needed, let alone a hammer and no you're not that aware to stop it.

There are plenty of people that are good enough to spot a concealed carried firearm so open carry concealed pfft nonsense..

Blind or no I don't see an exception in the constitution.

As for shooting blind. If he starts randomly firing into a crowd he's going to jail. If he kills the guy robbing or attacking him or someone else he's probably not going to be prosecuted unless the da is an antigun anti liberty dick.
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