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#61
They will not print more money. They wont be able to. Thats the problem with your argument. It doesnt matter what presideny appoint whom. It isnt bankrupt yet nor will it be anytime soon. Ill get about 75% of what we're promised and no more unless we raise taxes or somehow hit some supper economic times. Were good for the next 50 years unless the fed prints too much money or the world abandons the dollar. In which case we're all in trouble, well our mortgages will be paid off at least by simply selling a loaf of bread.. once we hit critical mass our dollar will be worthless and we'll refocus on a good standard and bringing manufacturing jobs back to the usa because we wont be able to effectively trade unless we do so. Its about to collapse I have no idea how it is still holding up. Neither are most of the economists.. it should fail and at such a rate we should go from number 1 to number 5 to 10 in a month or so. It aint going to be pretty. Regardless ss cannot stand on its own for decades when we consider new retires over the next 50 years atthat point we will print far too much money or collect far too much in taxes to survive. Thats why people say it is near bankruptcy. We must move to privatized retirement or we will literally lose our dominance and become like greece which is a good analog or the best one I can find to let you understand why you cannot print that much money because their money is tied to the rest of the world and the eu wont let them. Just like the fed won't print the money we would need to fund ss.

Lkttomasz;114933 Wrote:You really think the president has no call in the printing of money? On paper maybe, but he does appoint the chairman of the fed

In any case, I think we got waaaay off topic. My original question was what was meant by "bankruptcy of SS". Given the way govt/fed (whatever) can print money and the way govt can borrow money, I don't see what is meant by "bankruptcy of SS". As you said, printing money leads to a shit storm -> but at the point where the dollar is not the reserve currency anymore, is SS bankrupt? Or are we just receiving crate loads of worthless SS money from the govt?
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#62
This thread is stupid.

Pennsylvania is a closed primary state. Until this is reversed and people are allowed to vote in whichever primary of their choosing no matter what's on their voter registration, the Libertarian voice is squelched. Open primaries throw chaos and randomness that incumbents find hard to predict. It forces them to feel out their constituents more AND it also forces them to be less extremist for fear of attracting too many anti-party voters into their primary to throw the primary to a weak candidate.

I'm stuck in my county where the primary IS the election. If I change my registration to "R" then I will vote in the Republican primary in a lot of races where there isn't a Republican running in the race at all, or there's an angry Democrat who was kicked out of the political machine and has swapped registration to keep himself in the race all the way to November (and then lose, given how R registrations are so low here until you get to the upper Northeast part of Philly).


I have been Libertarian FAR longer than the stupid Tea Party ever existed. Instead I look at the entire field of candidates. I care a lot more about local races and less so about national races where the PA suburbs pretty much swing the vote. So for me, who makes it to City Council, even closer votes like the mayor, Controller, etc. I watch those intently and then my state reps.

It's even worse on ward leaders. TONS of bad apples in that cart so I either skip the vote or I only vote if I know the person personally (first name basis).


Politicians come down here all the time to civic association meetings on "meet the candidate" nights. That's where I truly fuckin' shine. I love asking leading questions, boxing someone's record in a corner, etc. I am the worst person you could have in a town hall meeting. I'm already personona-non-grata with enough pols; I can see their ulcer start to flare up when I'm let into the room.
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#63
Any time a thread starts in on the Federal Reserve Bank, I must recommended the reading of "The Creature From Jeckel Island". GOOOD STUFF!

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#64
(08-12-2013, 03:36 PM)ExcelToExcel Wrote: They will not print more money. They wont be able to. Thats the problem with your argument. It doesnt matter what presideny appoint whom. It isnt bankrupt yet nor will it be anytime soon. Ill get about 75% of what we're promised and no more unless we raise taxes or somehow hit some supper economic times. Were good for the next 50 years unless the fed prints too much money or the world abandons the dollar. In which case we're all in trouble, well our mortgages will be paid off at least by simply selling a loaf of bread.. once we hit critical mass our dollar will be worthless and we'll refocus on a good standard and bringing manufacturing jobs back to the usa because we wont be able to effectively trade unless we do so. Its about to collapse I have no idea how it is still holding up. Neither are most of the economists.. it should fail and at such a rate we should go from number 1 to number 5 to 10 in a month or so. It aint going to be pretty. Regardless ss cannot stand on its own for decades when we consider new retires over the next 50 years atthat point we will print far too much money or collect far too much in taxes to survive. Thats why people say it is near bankruptcy. We must move to privatized retirement or we will literally lose our dominance and become like greece which is a good analog or the best one I can find to let you understand why you cannot print that much money because their money is tied to the rest of the world and the eu wont let them. Just like the fed won't print the money we would need to fund ss.

I'm not sure why you say they "won't be able to" print more money. Do you think the threat of the dollar not being the reserve currency or the threat of high inflation will stop the govt from printing money? I don't. Much like the threat of high insurance costs didnt stop them from passing obamacare...while I agree 100% with everything else in your post, I think they will print and borrow until we get fucked by "the creature from Jekyll island".

In any case, I still think eliminating ss outright is too harsh. I think we can switch over to more of a privatized system (put less $$$ into ss, more into 401k), but I don't think you should just eliminate something a lot of people have paid into. And since we would at that point be forcing people into 401k's, we'd have to address some of the issues a privatized retirement savings system has.

Sort wrote govt again, meant fed/pres printing money
Lkttomasz, proud to be a member of pa2a.org since Apr 2013.
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#65
Transforming ss to a private entity would still maintain the status quo as it is currently funded. There would be no loss except that which is not currently funded and never will be would have to be accepted. Better now than later.
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#66
Can I have the money I paid into SS to date rolled into my 401k please? Smile
LostCyborg, proud to be a member of pa2a.org since Jun 2013.

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#67
RugerGirl;114589 Wrote:I am registered Republican but I think I would be a fiscal Libertarian. I agreed with Ron Paul about shutting down half the government including the Dept of Education and scaling back international financial support. I would probably remain a social Republican (tea party, not mainstream). I didn't realize Libertarians were for amnesty though.....I'm definitely not for that.

libertarians tend to support open borders, especially when welfare is abolished.

bigdawgbeav;114592 Wrote:
ExcelToExcel;114586 Wrote:You're libertarian on everything but immigration and to a certain extent education. We believe parents should be responsible for their own and if not it should be only at the state level. Also the english only thing we tend to be against. Everything else screams libertarian. Oh 17 not 21 for most of us. You can drive you can carry you can drink you can smoke all the pot you want or drink antifreeze if you wany. Its your body not the governments.

sounds like I should file with Bucks County Board of Elections and officially change my party affiliation and then send fill out my membership application...

just read anything by Murray Rothbard and you'll be on your way. Big Grin

Camper;114598 Wrote:
bigdawgbeav;114596 Wrote:I do find it interesting that i need to pay a membership fee for a "less taxes, more liberty" group... however I understand that the LP is still grassroots and needs support.

Don't even worry about it, the 'surprise' like that is everywhere. Even Anarchists have to vote on who gets to speak for them and who doesn't. Wink

anarchists vote? Tongue

RugerGirl;114658 Wrote:
Deal_me_in;114641 Wrote:You can think that people should help the less fortunate, but still not want the gov't to impose wealth redistribution.

I hate when people equate being anti welfare to being anti-compassionate! I think private charities would be better equipped to weed out the fraud that goes on, and target the truly needy.

they would as they'd be spending money that was donated to them directly for their services that they provide.

more fraud = less money to provide for the poor, therefore they have a financial incentive to weed out fraud as much and as quickly as possible.

goofin;114666 Wrote:
RugerGirl;114658 Wrote:I hate when people equate being anti welfare to being anti-compassionate! I think private charities would be better equipped to weed out the fraud that goes on, and target the truly needy.

there's too much potential for corruption in both types of charities

probably so, but DEFINITELY more so with government.
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#68
LostCyborg;115147 Wrote:Can I have the money I paid into SS to date rolled into my 401k please? Smile

Amen.
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