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Jersey City Forcing Mfr's To Answer "Moral Quiz" When Bidding For Firearms Contracts
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http://www.cnn.com/2013/12/11/us/new-jer...?hpt=hp_t2

Quote:(CNN) -- A New Jersey mayor is compelling gun manufacturers bidding for gun and ammunition contracts with the city police to answer questions on gun safety in what is believed to be the first such move in the nation.

Jersey City Mayor Steven Fulop said Wednesday that answering questions about social responsibility is now part of the bidding process.

The revised bid specifications include six questions intended to gauge the gun manufacturer's responsibility to public safety, according to city documents.

The answers will impact the firm's competitiveness, Fulop said. Refusal to answer the questions will deem their proposals incomplete.

The six questions are: "What do you do to combat illegal gun trafficking and illegal gun crime? Do you manufacturer and sell assault weapons for civilian use? Do you agree not to sell certain models of firearms for civilian use? Are you requiring your dealers to conduct background checks? Do you fund research related to gun violence and smart gun technology? Will you commit to prohibiting your brand name from being used in violent video games?"

An admitted gun control advocate who also happens to have military background, Fulop said he hopes to make Jersey City a national example for other cities.

Jersey City is believed to be the first in the country with such a requirement, the mayor said.

Fulop said social responsibility requirements exist for most industries and that the gun manufacturers should not be exempt.

As expected, the initiative has its detractors.

"It is inappropriate to politicize the selection of firearms for law enforcement," said Lawrence Keane, senior vice president and general counsel of the National Shooting Sports Foundation, a Connecticut-based firearms trade association.

Keane said it is dangerous to select firearms for law enforcement on anything other than what is best for police officers.

The bid winner would supply rifles, handguns and ammunition to the Jersey City police department, which employs nearly 800 officers, according Bob McHugh, a Jersey City fire and police spokesman.

A pro-gun control organization in Jersey City known as Moms Demand Action for Gun Sense in America praised the move, according to New Jersey chapter leader Mandi Perlmutter.

"If other mayors were to use their purchasing power, it would force the manufacturers to change how they do business," she said.

On Saturday, Fulop will speak at an event called "No more silence" to honor the one year anniversary of the Sandy Hook Elementary School shooting in which 20 students and six staff members died. The event is sponsored by Moms Demand Action for Gun Sense in America and other organizations.

Fulop, referring to his initiative, said: "This is an opportunity to shape the dialogue around gun control."
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So.......................

The next question becomes which firearms manufacturers am I going to boycott?
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Philadelphia Patriot;128196 Wrote:So.......................

The next question becomes which firearms manufacturers am I going to boycott?

I'm sure Glock will just toss them some boilerplate. It's not like city kitty LEO's are ever going to stop buying whatever they make. Who else manufactures total-idiot-proof pistols that can do duty service made entirely out of Rubbermaid.
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This could be interesting. These questions are essentially requiring companies to give up business in order to get business.

In an ideal world, it would be the cities and police departments scrambling to find firearms because nobody will sell to THEM.

There is more evidence to suggest that firearms manufacturers should be putting the burden of proof on THEM that their weapons and ammunition will not be used in an unjust manner towards the citizens of the united states.

How many guns could one city possibly purchase in a year, 500? I can't think of any gun manufacturer who wouldn't sell almost that many in a single day at one of the larger and more popular gun shows. To civilians.
Vampire pig man since September 2012
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Philadelphia Patriot;128196 Wrote:So.......................

The next question becomes which firearms manufacturers am I going to boycott?

I would hope that they've learned their lesson after the clinton administration.
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The gun manufacturers should all do the right thing, that is refuse to answer these ridiculous questions. If they all refused to do business with the city then the city will cave. With no new guns and ammo the police union there would force the mayor's hand. It's really this simple and within the power of gun manufacturers to reject this "moral quiz"
Live Free or Die
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I think that every gun/ammo manufacturer and gun shop should simply refuse to do business with the city. Meanwhile, when crime soars and there's no way for the police to act as a deterent, the citizenry can have a delicious taste of the stupid me they made themselves.
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This should be the answers for any manufacturer that applies:

What do you do to combat illegal gun trafficking and illegal gun crime?
~We manufacture weapons for civilian, military and law enforcement use. We are not lawmakers nor law enforcers. We do fully support those law enforcement that are entrusted to combat illegal gun crimes and trafficking.

Do you manufacturer and sell assault weapons for civilian use?
~We do not make "assault weapons" for civilian use.

Do you agree not to sell certain models of firearms for civilian use?
~As certain models are not designated for "civilian use", we don't sell those models directly to civilians.

Are you requiring your dealers to conduct background checks?
~Our dealers are required to perform any and all checks that the local, state and federal government requires when it comes to someone purchasing one of our items.

Do you fund research related to gun violence and smart gun technology?
~We are always looking toward different technological advances in weaponry and support, fully, a reduction in illegal violence perpetrated with guns.

Will you commit to prohibiting your brand name from being used in violent video games?
~At this time we are unaware of any violent video games using our brand name. Rest assured we will investigate and take corrective action.
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bigdawgbeav;128299 Wrote:This should be the answers for any manufacturer that applies:

What do you do to combat illegal gun trafficking and illegal gun crime?
~We manufacture weapons for civilian, military and law enforcement use. We are not lawmakers nor law enforcers. We do fully support those law enforcement that are entrusted to combat illegal gun crimes and trafficking.

Do you manufacturer and sell assault weapons for civilian use?
~We do not make "assault weapons" for civilian use.

Do you agree not to sell certain models of firearms for civilian use?
~As certain models are not designated for "civilian use", we don't sell those models directly to civilians.

Are you requiring your dealers to conduct background checks?
~Our dealers are required to perform any and all checks that the local, state and federal government requires when it comes to someone purchasing one of our items.

Do you fund research related to gun violence and smart gun technology?
~We are always looking toward different technological advances in weaponry and support, fully, a reduction in illegal violence perpetrated with guns.

Will you commit to prohibiting your brand name from being used in violent video games?
~At this time we are unaware of any violent video games using our brand name. Rest assured we will investigate and take corrective action.

Or the snarky answer:
What do you do to combat illegal gun trafficking and illegal gun crime?
This is your responsibility. If you buy our firearms, you will be partnering with us in reducing crimes of all sorts.

Do you manufacturer and sell assault weapons for civilian use?
It has been illegal to do this for many, many years. We follow all relevant federal and state laws, so of course we do not.

Do you agree not to sell certain models of firearms for civilian use?

It has been illegal to do this for many, many years. We follow all relevant federal and state laws, so of course we do not.

Are you requiring your dealers to conduct background checks?
Federal and state laws mandate background checks and the circumstances under which background checks can be ran. Us advocating the federal resources be used for any other background check is illegal. As noted above, we follow all relevant federal and state laws.

Do you fund research related to gun violence and smart gun technology?
Our focus of research are considered confidential industry information and will not be divulged to anyone outside this company.

Will you commit to prohibiting your brand name from being used in violent video games?
Unless the city is looking to be the only buyer of our firearms - which would be foolish for us to agree to - why would any other contracts or agreements that this company has or may enter into matter to you?




I'm hoping that the manufacturers all get fed up with this crap, don't answer the questionnaire, and no one sells to them... or if someone does, they all have are POS .380s Tongue. I know it isn't realistic, but one can hope, right?
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It would be funny if all the manufacturers would refuse---- except for Phoenix Firearms.
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