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Kicked out of Xfinity Live - Philadelphia, PA
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Just wanted to make a post detailing my experience this past weekend at Xfinity Live in the sports complex in Philly.

I went to a free outdoor concert hosted by Xfinity Live because my buddies band was opening up for Lit and Buckcherry. I checked over Xfinity Live's website for any sort or rules or regs against carry but was unable to find any. Normally I OC, but since I was expecting there to be a crowd and alcohol I decided to CC to this event.

My party and I arrived at about 6:45pm. At approx 9:30pm I was approached by a PPD officer, a representative of Xfinity Live, and a member of the private security that was present at the event. The officer asked if I was carrying any weapons to which I responded with, "nothing illegal." I had figured that at some point my carry piece had become visible to someone and they complained.

The officer asked for my LTCF and ID and I handed them over, at which point the security guard began telling me that "if you have a right to carry, you should be aware of the rules." I told her that I did what could be expected of a law abiding citizen by checking Xfinity's site for any rules and hadn't found anything. Then she said, "No, I believe it is a state law that you cannot carry in a bar," with the Xfinity Live rep and PPD officer corroborating. I responded that, to my knowledge (and please, chime in if I'm wrong or throw me some citations if I'm right) that it was a perfectly legal practice in the state of Pennsylvania. After that I was told to shut my mouth by the PPD officer and that he knows the law and he would be sending my info over to the ATF and they'd handle it. Shrug

I was escorted out of the crowded area and told I'd have to store my weapon in my car. Then the security guard began asking me how I got in with a weapon in the first place and I informed her that when I arrived I observed the guards at each entrance simply carding those who looked young, there were no pat-downs or wandings happening. I informed her that I saw her doing this as well as two other guards at the three entrances. At this point I was told I was not welcome back to the event at all.

I tried to have a friend record the encounter, as I didn't want to go reaching into pockets while surrounded but she managed to miss the key part, where after the officer returned my ID and LTCF I went around and asked each of them their name and who they represent. I do remember it was PPD Officer Montgomery. Possibly Badge #3894? I do not remember the lady representing Xfinity Live and I only remember the security reps first name was Mia. I didn't think I'd be relying on my memory, I was hoping the video would have it. Undecided

At the end of the day, I only wanted to see my buddies band, I don't care for Lit or Buckcherry so this gave my party and I a reason to leave early. Angel
When they come for my guns; It is not my right, at that point,
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You most certainly can carry in a bar in PA.
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You are right, there is no law prohibiting legal carry in a bar, or a crowded area, or a place where you have to pay admission. Obviously they still had the right to tell you to leave. Officer dickhead must get a rise out of showing his authority and making empty threats regarding alphabet agencies.

I'm not going to armchair QB here so I'll leave on this note, consider yourself lucky that you drove yourself home, with your firearm and your LTCF. I'm not even the slightest bit fond of how that officer handled the situation, but still, consider yourself very lucky. It should have gone a lot better, but it could have gone a lot worse.
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Xavier;24435 Wrote:he would be sending my info over to the ATF and they'd handle it. Shrug

Why?
Are they handing out firearms to citizens now?

Ak
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csmith;24451 Wrote:I'm not going to armchair QB here so I'll leave on this note, consider yourself lucky that you drove yourself home, with your firearm and your LTCF. I'm not even the slightest bit fond of how that officer handled the situation, but still, consider yourself very lucky. It should have gone a lot better, but it could have gone a lot worse.
I was kinda hoping he would arrest me so I could take it to him and the PPD. But I'm glad he didn't and it obviously proves I did nothing illegal, or else he would have. Big Grin

kadar;24452 Wrote:
Xavier;24435 Wrote:he would be sending my info over to the ATF and they'd handle it. Shrug

Why?
Are they handing out firearms to citizens now?

Ak
Haha, I don't know, just quoting what he said. I only remembered it because I WTF'd in my head when he said that.
When they come for my guns; It is not my right, at that point,
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You could file a complaint with the PPD, but we all know where that will go. The is no law against carrying in a bar, or any other place that serves alcohol, in Pa. I don't know the place where you were, but if it is private property, they can certainly decide they don't want you there. If it was city property, then they are barred by 6120 from making any rule that regulates the carry or possession of firearms, that is contrary to state law. Maybe if SB 273 gets support, this kind of thing can be addressed by lawsuit.
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I honestly can't see why someone would want to live or visit that cesspool called Philly.

(No offense to those visiting or living in said cesspool)
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headcase;24457 Wrote:You could file a complaint with the PPD, but we all know where that will go. The is no law against carrying in a bar, or any other place that serves alcohol, in Pa. I don't know the place where you were, but if it is private property, they can certainly decide they don't want you there. If it was city property, then they are barred by 6120 from making any rule that regulates the carry or possession of firearms, that is contrary to state law. Maybe if SB 273 gets support, this kind of thing can be addressed by lawsuit.
It is on the same block as the Wells Fargo Center, the Flyers stadium. It's right in the middle of all the stadiums, basically like a little strip mall of nothing but sports bars. Most definitely private property and I was cooperative when asked to leave, but I stood up for what I believed was right when they told me they were asking me to leave because they thought I was in violation of state law.

39Flathead;24459 Wrote:I honestly can't see why someone would want to live or visit that cesspool called Philly.

(No offense to those visiting or living in said cesspool)

I only went to see and support my buddies band making some big steps. It is exciting to see a small town band from the Skook opening up for two big name bands like Lit and Buckcherry, even if I don't like those two bands.
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Xavier, I was there that night, but didn't show up until 11:00pm. I stood in line waiting to get my ID checked by the uniformed security guard and pay the $20, but some white guy in a suit called my party (aka group of friends) over to him. He checked our IDs, asked us where we were from, and waived the $20 cover charge. He asked us where we were from, we named our neighborhood, he didn't know where it was, and when we replied which section of the city it is located, then he stated that he lived in that area of the city (total BS because everybody who lives in my section of the city has heard of my neighborhood). We didn't get pat down or wanded, but in the past they have asked us to partially lift our shirts up as to check for weapons. Either way, the place is over-priced and their "country style bar" doesn't even play country music. Their "country bar" is full of people who look like they just got done recording a Jersey Shore episode or just got done filming a rap video. I rather stay at my local neighborhood bar, put $20 in the jukebox machine, load it up with country music, and drink affordable beers.
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Xavier;24435 Wrote:... I went to a free outdoor concert hosted by Xfinity Live because my buddies band was opening up for Lit and Buckcherry. ...

How about a link to your friend's band?

I love Lit and BC. Old school now though. Sleepy
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