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#11
ExcelToExcel;89093 Wrote:There is one real problem, the data never supports this nonsense.

The proliferation of violent video games, tv, music and movies has had a negative correlation with youth violence.

It is all just bullshit on top of bullshit.

It's like mounds and almond joy. Some people are nuts some aren't.

Can you show data that supports that its completely safe to start first graders out on violent video games and R rated movies?

Why do we have record numbers of children on psychotic drugs?
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RugerGirl;89094 Wrote:
ExcelToExcel;89093 Wrote:There is one real problem, the data never supports this nonsense.

The proliferation of violent video games, tv, music and movies has had a negative correlation with youth violence.

It is all just bullshit on top of bullshit.

It's like mounds and almond joy. Some people are nuts some aren't.

Can you show data that supports that its completely safe to start first graders out on violent video games and R rated movies?

Why do we have record numbers of children on psychotic drugs?

I wouldn't say "never":

25 Video Game Violence Studies Summarized

I would like to see if there is any correlation between studies which showed no correlation and the studies being funded by the video game industry.

An interesting study would be to see what the effects of the games were on young people with developmental disorders or mental illnesses. But since it would be almost impossible to carry out such a study in an ethical fashion, we're not going to see it.

But we do have this:

http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/lookout/phot...51161.html

That really should be sufficient to suggest that it's a real Bad Idea[tm] to allow a young man with some sort of socialization disorder, depression, self-esteem issues, a tendency towards compulsive behavior, and who knows what else to build his life around violent video games and real-life fire-arms.
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gascolator;89257 Wrote:An interesting study would be to see what the effects of the games were on young people with developmental disorders or mental illnesses. But since it would be almost impossible to carry out such a study in an ethical fashion, we're not going to see it.

I said almost the same thing the last time this came up in regards to this case. Most people have no issues in playing games, and differentiating reality from game. But there is a small percentage of the population who's brains don't always operate in reality.

We cannot engage in Clockwork Orange type testing on persons either as it isn't ethical so of course there's no data to positively determine if violent video games adversely effect people or not. All we have is anecdotal evidence like in this case.

I think much of it comes down to there's a variety of factors that can cause someone do to crimes like this, and it is impossible to point a finger at anyone one factor.
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#14
Video games didn't make him, or anyone else, do jack shit. They're just another symptom of what's fucked up with our society, not the cause.
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jahwarrior72;89261 Wrote:Video games didn't make him, or anyone else, do jack shit. They're just another symptom of what's fucked up with our society, not the cause.

And perhaps one of those things is that you have troubled young people engaging in ever-more-realistic simulations of first-person violence for 8-, 16-, sometimes 24-hours per day, to the exclusion of almost all other sources of pleasure or personal validation.

And perhaps also that you have a wildly profitable industry that doesn't even want the questions asked, much less to see the answers.
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#16
I grew up watching the Roadrunner, Bugs Bunny, Tom & Jerry and countless other violent, slapstick cartoons and never once did I think it was a good idea to blow someone up with an Acme rocket or shoot a friend in the face with a double barrel.

If kids are raised stupid, they will become stupid...and that is what the biggest problem is today!
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#17
Why does everyone think it's all about them?

Sure, like most people I grew up watching violent 90's cartoons and playing violent 90's video games and I'm not a killer. I get that; but not everyone's physiology functions exactly the same. Some kids and even adults are heavily influenced by media. Let's face the facts here. Take a look at smoking and the media's impact especially on young kids when it comes to choosing to take-up smoking. The influence is undeniable. Go in to an inner-city area and take a look at the inner-city entertainment. They mirror that media. Why do you think things like the gangsta culture even exist? It's not an ancient tradition, it's media imprinting itself of impressionable people.

Whether or not a kid is violent, psychotic or impressionable is not always the fault of the parents. Using the Adam Lanza case as an example, notice the stark differences between one brother and the other. One was impressionable, psychotic and violent while the other was not, all while growing up under the care of the same parents. Video Games probably did influence the evil bastard's decisions.
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RocketFoot;89314 Wrote:I grew up watching the Roadrunner, Bugs Bunny, Tom & Jerry and countless other violent, slapstick cartoons and never once did I think it was a good idea to blow someone up with an Acme rocket or shoot a friend in the face with a double barrel.

There are some key differences between the old cartoons and "first person shooters."

  1. In the cartoons, the animation isn't catered towards realism, either in the characters or the equipment used, as it is with the FPS video games
  2. In the FPS game, YOU are inflicting the violence, not watching it being inflicted
  3. In the FPS game, YOU are made to feel that you are at risk; cartoons are entirely 3rd person
  4. In the FPS, the result of the violence is, in some cases, quite realistic
  5. Part of the cartoon is "cartoon physics" which makes it less real (I mean even when I was 4 years old I knew instinctively that I didn't have to look down before I fell.) FPS makers work very hard indeed to make the physics of the game as close to real as possible.

And there's a key difference between you and Adam Lanza: YOU aren't mentally ill or unstable, and you don't have a socialization deficit. And from what we can see, your mother wasn't a dummy, either.
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gascolator;89373 Wrote:
RocketFoot;89314 Wrote:I grew up watching the Roadrunner, Bugs Bunny, Tom & Jerry and countless other violent, slapstick cartoons and never once did I think it was a good idea to blow someone up with an Acme rocket or shoot a friend in the face with a double barrel.

There are some key differences between the old cartoons and "first person shooters."

  1. In the cartoons, the animation isn't catered towards realism, either in the characters or the equipment used, as it is with the FPS video games
  2. In the FPS game, YOU are inflicting the violence, not watching it being inflicted
  3. In the FPS game, YOU are made to feel that you are at risk; cartoons are entirely 3rd person
  4. In the FPS, the result of the violence is, in some cases, quite realistic
  5. Part of the cartoon is "cartoon physics" which makes it less real (I mean even when I was 4 years old I knew instinctively that I didn't have to look down before I fell.) FPS makers work very hard indeed to make the physics of the game as close to real as possible.

And there's a key difference between you and Adam Lanza: YOU aren't mentally ill or unstable, and you don't have a socialization deficit. And from what we can see, your mother wasn't a dummy, either.

I was going to say something similar...there is a HUGE difference between watching Tom and Jerry, Popeye, or the Road Runner, and playing a VERY high tech graphics game where you go around murdering people for hours on end.

Any sane parent is not going to let their kids play that stuff, at least not for hours on end. Its crazy.
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That reminds me... is the 90-day gag order up yet? Aren't we supposed to be able to see the front door video footage by now?
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