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(03-10-2016, 12:37 PM)Mr_Gixxer Wrote: Here she is with a Molot X-Long 1.0mm choke tube and CNC Warrior flash hider on the workbench after a cleaning. Barrel length with choke tube and FH is 28"...

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That would make a nice clay gun. It would certainly garner some attention!


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#42
I tried to take a few pictures to show a similar perspective, but as you'll see, my photography skills are non-existent. Here are two Iver Johnson singles, one with a 30" barrel and the other with a 25" barrel. Neither one has a short fat forestock to aid in the perspective illusion.

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Emptymag;173264 Wrote:
mauser;173262 Wrote:Reading comprehension problem?
He said it's 28", INCLUDING choke tube and flash hider.
The angle of the dangle in the photo gives it a perspective that makes it look longer than what it really is. (Interesting concept to study?).
I'll get back to you early next week e.m., I may have the honor of personally measuring that specific barrel on Sunday. I'll take a picture of it from a different angle, possibly beside a 30" barrel to show a more accurate perspective.

28"... 6'... what's the difference?

My question still stands. What is the purpose? Why would one intentionally increase the length of a barrel by that much?

28" is not an excessively long barrel.
And if I'm seeing what I think I'm seeing, it makes perfect sense to me. If you expect to install a choke that's only one or two inches long on the end of an open bore barrel, it's going to try to crowd the shot together too quickly and that nice tight pattern you were hoping for will turn to shit just a few inches out of the barrel, too abrupt of a change will deform the BBs and get them criss crossing each other and behaving erratically, the longer and more gradual the choke is, the more effective it will be.
You get a military style gun for the "cool" factor, , (or maybe quality and reliability), then add to it as needed to make it better suit your intended use of it. In this case, sport shooting, such as trap, skeet sporting clays, block shoots, or !OMG! Maybe even hunting!

And for the record. the difference is 44".
(Didn't they teach arithmetic in Picksburgh when you were in skool?).

Shotguns don't all have to look like this:
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#44
Man, you boys have been busy tonight. Isn't the grass growing yet in picksburgh EM? I know you didn't get to push any snow around this "winter" and you've been on edge since September but dang mang! Big Grin If you come to the group shoot in July you'll get to see this thing for yourself.

As far as the choke tube length, mouser touched on the reasons I went with this particular length tube. I haven't made any scientific tests yet to find out if there is any merit to my idea but I would tend to believe that the longer choke makes the shot trajectory more consistent at ranges between 30-50 yards and gives the shot a chance to gradually choke down as opposed to hitting that swage all at once thus making for better more consistent patterns. Here is a list of some of the most common choke tubes that are actually made in Russia for these shotguns on 4range...
http://4range.com/search.php?str=Choke
I even have a flash hider that is threaded to accept normal winchester chokes as well so I'm not just limited to the fancy Molot chokes.

The flash hider doesn't do anything for or against the "choke", I could easily just put a cap on the end or install something else like a muzzle brake. You'd really shit if I put one of these on the end. This is a GK-02 muzzle brake made by molot for these shotguns...

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Of course the camera angle was done on purpose to accentuate the extra length but as I said, in reality it's 3/4" shorter than an m91/30.
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#45
Explanation good...picture better.Tongue

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#46
I think the discussion had more to do with the effectiveness of choke length vs choke diameter.
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Mr_Gixxer;173275 Wrote:I think the discussion had more to do with the effectiveness of choke length vs choke diameter.

MY discussion had more to do with WTF, why would you want a shotgun (or any gun for that matter) with a barrel that mother-freaking long?

I'm a carbine guy. Lengthy long arms have no value to me. I don't look to take shots at long distances and especially a semi-auto "military-style" shotgun... how freaking unwieldy can you get? If you need to shoot things that far away, pick up a rifle.

I mean, if it works for your intended plan, great. I just can't understand the "why" considering people tend to pay hundreds and thousands just to have a SHORT rifle/shotgun. I've never seen anyone say "Look how incredibly long I've made the barrel on my tactical shotgun."

Know what I mean, Vern?
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And wtf are YOU talking about? The barrel length is 19 inches. This particular choke I put on for a particular purpose adds 7 inches. If I need a short choke, I'll put on a short choke!

You don't own any m91/30's EM?
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sgtsandman;173265 Wrote:
(03-10-2016, 12:37 PM)Mr_Gixxer Wrote: Here she is with a Molot X-Long 1.0mm choke tube and CNC Warrior flash hider on the workbench after a cleaning. Barrel length with choke tube and FH is 28"...

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That would make a nice clay gun. It would certainly garner some attention!


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I just want to note that every time I see this gun it gets cooler. Please stop posting pics or it's going to cost me.
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Mr_Gixxer;173277 Wrote:And wtf are YOU talking about? The barrel length is 19 inches. This particular choke I put on for a particular purpose adds 7 inches. If I need a short choke, I'll put on a short choke!

You don't own any m91/30's EM?

OK, I guess I need to get specific...
I don't care about the length of the "barrel" - I'm taking about the TOTAL length of the "barrel" after adding that long-assed extension/choke/muzzle device/whatever you wanna call it.

To quote your own words...
Quote:Barrel length with choke tube and FH is 28"...
So how is it only 19"???

The total length of the "black, tubular steel thingy sticking out the front of the receiver". THAT is what I'm talking about.


EDIT: Is a m91/30 a Mosin Nagant? No - they are way to freaking long. I'd entertain a carbine though. Same with full size battle rifles. Love me an FAL, but way too unwieldy for my taste.
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