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I never said those things. And I don't hate Christians.

You're projecting.

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(01-13-2015, 09:27 PM)JustinHEMI Wrote: I never said those things. And I don't hate Christians.

You're projecting.

Justin

I don't hate Christians, I just hate on them by calling them stupid, and constantly dismissing anything and everything they have to say...

Justin



No, I'm not projecting anything. I'm reflecting.

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#83
I never called you stupid, either. Go ahead and continue to make shit up, I'm going to withdraw from the pissing match for the final time.

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(01-14-2015, 09:38 AM)JustinHEMI Wrote: I never called you stupid, either. Go ahead and continue to make shit up, I'm going to withdraw from the pissing match for the final time.

Justin

Oh, my bad, you just jump all over any reference to Christianity and call it stupid, or make fun of those who believe, because after all, you feel a need by your own admission, to "mock stupid things".

Quit mincing words. No one's making anything up, just calling a spade a spade.
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(01-11-2015, 09:29 PM)Emoticon Wrote: As someone who figures things out like The Grand Canyon for a living and has done actual geological studies on the ground in that region specifically... Please show me where you've got these notions from. I can say emphatically and unequivocally that me nor any of my colleague are "turning to religion to explain events when science just can't". Some of the people I work with are even Christians (not that common but they do exist), just not "the earth is 5000 years old because some monk [not even god] in the 17th century said so" fanatical type of Christian. The Grand Canyon is literally a proving ground to new geologists from universities across the country, there are few better places to actually see geologic theory manifest. As a result there is nothing we "can't explain" about The Grand Canyon except for like what was above the Great Unconformity for example before the Tapeats Sandstone, because it no longer exists, but that was over 500 million years ago. There are few places that have been as highly mapped and studied over and over and over and over and over... Flood "geologists" are like a physicist who says something like; "I want to study physics and become a physicist, it's just that not sure about that whole "theory" of gravity thing is true". They degrade the entire field as well as degrade the respectability of regular religious scientists in the community and call into question the validity of their work. If geologists like myself are so wrong about the mechanics of the earth and how it forms how did we get so damn good at finding resources like gold, oil, coal, natural gas, you name it, and predicting the best places to dig or drill for those things?

I'm very interested to see what they point to as proof in the articles you read that you find so compelling.

For openers, if the Grand Canyon's origin can be so definitively explained by modern science and geology, why are there multiple theories as to how the Colorado River traversed the Kaibob Plateau? Other inconsistencies remain that are not so widely held as "cut and dried" as though you might suggest.

Because no river is static, they are ALWAYS moving and changing direction and the only ways to work back the path is to look for signs of where the right may have been in the past preserved in ripplemarks and cross-bedding which is not always obvious. Science will never be able to tell the EXACT path of the river over time because the indicators of where it has been can be altered or washed away by the river itself or eroded. Just to give you an idea of how non-static rivers are take a look at a geologic map of the Mississippi river where the path is particularly well preserved unlike most rivers.

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Please use the map and tell me which path it took on May 1 of the year 1. Now you see how ridiculous your point is. I still fail to see how a great flood offers a better explanation. Does your flood theory also explain the Monterey Undersea Canyon? This is ignoring the fact that you could not even fit two of every animal on a super panamax oil tanker or the Emma Maersk let alone keep enough of them alive to have enough biodiversity for the earth to perpetuate itself. Did Noah get out his electron microscope and industrial sized batteries given to him by god and collect two of every virus and bacterium as well? Did he have a positive pressure biohazard lab and requisite space suit as well? It's ridiculous on the surface. I don't understand why the concept of a clock maker type god like normal Chirstians believe is so abhorrent. I don't see why a god who made the world and set everything into motion is such a horrifying idea to you people. If god's creation is inherently perfect why would a god need to continue to mess with it? Yet instead you choose to believe the interpretation of the Bible by man which posits a version of creationism that has been proven invalid in every way possible.

Still waiting for your evidence...
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#86
Understood to a point, give or take a minor changes, but the Colorado takes a couple of turns that have been recently modeled to include the possibility of a great flood, that otherwise previously could not be explained.
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(01-18-2015, 03:11 PM)Emoticon Wrote:
DeadEye;160217 Wrote:For openers, if the Grand Canyon's origin can be so definitively explained by modern science and geology, why are there multiple theories as to how the Colorado River traversed the Kaibob Plateau? Other inconsistencies remain that are not so widely held as "cut and dried" as though you might suggest.

Because no river is static, they are ALWAYS moving and changing direction and the only ways to work back the path is to look for signs of where the right may have been in the past preserved in ripplemarks and cross-bedding which is not always obvious. Science will never be able to tell the EXACT path of the river over time because the indicators of where it has been can be altered or washed away by the river itself or eroded. Just to give you an idea of how non-static rivers are take a look at a geologic map of the Mississippi river where the path is particularly well preserved unlike most rivers.

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Please use the map and tell me which path it took on May 1 of the year 1. Now you see how ridiculous your point is. I still fail to see how a great flood offers a better explanation. Does your flood theory also explain the Monterey Undersea Canyon? This is ignoring the fact that you could not even fit two of every animal on a super panamax oil tanker or the Emma Maersk let alone keep enough of them alive to have enough biodiversity for the earth to perpetuate itself. Did Noah get out his electron microscope and industrial sized batteries given to him by god and collect two of every virus and bacterium as well? Did he have a positive pressure biohazard lab and requisite space suit as well? It's ridiculous on the surface. I don't understand why the concept of a clock maker type god like normal Chirstians believe is so abhorrent. I don't see why a god who made the world and set everything into motion is such a horrifying idea to you people. If god's creation is inherently perfect why would a god need to continue to mess with it? Yet instead you choose to believe the interpretation of the Bible by man which posits a version of creationism that has been proven invalid in every way possible.

Still waiting for your evidence...

Again, your interpretation of a great flood is predicated on a Global one. It was not, therefore, impossible for Noah to take two of every animal within his immediate vicinity.

If your theory is so solid, then why are scientists at odds over what killed the dinosaurs, global warming, or a meteor strike? I don't have to provide proof positive, because neither can science. At this point, a great flood is just as plausible as global warming, thus causing massive flooding, or a meteor strike, which too would cause major flooding. Either way is Biblically correct, since the flood was the end result. In essence, it just baffles me the specificity so-called superior intellects claim to be, until you get them all in a room and they can't agree with one another. ALL they know is no other being can have more superior intellect than them....

From Wikipedia – “The Grand Canyon is part of the Colorado River basin which has developed over the past 40 million years. A recent study places the origins of the canyon beginning about 17M years ago. Previous estimates had placed the age of the canyon at 5–6 million years.[11] The study, which was published in the journal Science in 2008, used uranium-lead dating to analyze calcite deposits found on the walls of nine caves throughout the canyon.[12] There is a substantial amount of controversy because this research suggests such a substantial departure from prior widely supported scientific consensus.[13] In December 2012, a study published in the journal Science claimed new tests had suggested the Grand Canyon could be as old as 70M years.[14] However, this study has been criticized as "[an] attempt to push the interpretation of their new data to their limits without consideration of the whole range of other geologic data sets."[11]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grand_Canyon

A new and “more definitive” answer…

http://www.livescience.com/13903-grand-c...plift.html

And yet not ALL of the geologists can agree.


Here is some more “exact science”...

http://www.buzzle.com/articles/how-was-t...ormed.html

“The exact date as to when the Grand Canyon was formed is still controversial.”


I’m not wasting any more time on this. Geologists don’t know exactly how, or exactly when, yet you stand their accusing me that I have no evidence…. Oh yeah, the Colorado River cuts through the Grand Canyon, not the Mississippi.
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