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Looking for Ballistic Chart, Calulator
#1
Looking for a simple hand held ballistic's calculator.
Nothing real fancy, something that would give me:

Entering------
Remington,Winchester, Hornady 3006 - 150gr sight in @100yds will drop -8 at 300yds.
or
Winchester, Remington 270 - 130gr sight in @ 100yds will drop -1 @ 200yds

Or, would be be easier to carry the book around?

I did find some,on the net, but the cost was a bit much.

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http://www.isnipe.ca/

http://www.shooterapp.net/

I haven't used either one, as I don't have a smart phone, but if you do, those two might work for you.
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streaker69;112855 Wrote:http://www.isnipe.ca/

http://www.shooterapp.net/

I haven't used either one, as I don't have a smart phone, but if you do, those two might work for you.

I have 'regular' cell phone also. They do have everything- almost makes me get a new phone.
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Pa.Bill;112860 Wrote:
streaker69;112855 Wrote:http://www.isnipe.ca/

http://www.shooterapp.net/

I haven't used either one, as I don't have a smart phone, but if you do, those two might work for you.

I have 'regular' cell phone also. They do have everything- almost makes me get a new phone.
~Thank you~

I use shooter, and it's a good app. There's some pretty good free online ballistic calculators. I've always had good luck with JBM's ballistic calculators, and you can choose to use the "basic" ones, or ones with more options and variables. I've also had good luck with the dope from the Berger Ballistic calculators. Keep in mind this data should only be a starting point for you to calculate your actual dope. Lots of the time if you'll put the variables in correctly, they'll give you almost exact dope, especially at the ranges you're talking about. If you start getting to longer ranges, the data gets much more sensitive to error. Both of these programs will allow you to print out your data, and you can carry it with you, or depending on the firearm, tape it to the stock.

This is the simplified calculator from JBM. If you'd like to use another calculator of theirs, you can just click on "calculators" on the left and choose another one.
http://www.jbmballistics.com/cgi-bin/jbm...mp-5.1.cgi

This is Berger's program. You don't have to use one of their bullets, but you have to look up the correct BC, etc, and input it.

http://bergerbullets.com/ballistics/

I hope this helps. Handheld ballistics calculators end up being on an old palm pilot or smart phone. Otherwise you have to carry a little chart. I hope this helps.
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Tomcat088;113042 Wrote:I hope this helps. Handheld ballistics calculators end up being on an old palm pilot or smart phone. Otherwise you have to carry a little chart. I hope this helps.

I honestly prefer the charts. I have used a few of the free apps for the smart phone. And they do work great. It's just I have to input information for different distances, and other factors. On a chart, I can have it so I see the drop at every 25 yards. If I am shooting at 250, I can look down, see what the drop is, estimate the wind, flip it over, check the wind drift, and I am set. If my second shot is instead going to be at 350 yards, I can just look a little lower on the chart, and I have my information.

I have one for every caliber I shoot, and for my rifles with actual optics, I have the numbers in "clicks" as well.

For me it just feels quicker, and I keep the charts with the rifles.
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#6
To make life simple- I'll make up my own chart.

I shoot 3006 - 150gr
270 - 130gr
22-250 - 45 to 55gr.
all from bench- 100, 200, 300 yards . It can't be all that bad.
I'll make my own data book that can sit easy in a range bag.

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Connal;113049 Wrote:I honestly prefer the charts. I have used a few of the free apps for the smart phone. And they do work great. It's just I have to input information for different distances, and other factors. On a chart, I can have it so I see the drop at every 25 yards. If I am shooting at 250, I can look down, see what the drop is, estimate the wind, flip it over, check the wind drift, and I am set. If my second shot is instead going to be at 350 yards, I can just look a little lower on the chart, and I have my information.

I have one for every caliber I shoot, and for my rifles with actual optics, I have the numbers in "clicks" as well.

For me it just feels quicker, and I keep the charts with the rifles.

I'm not opposed to charts, although I'm not opposed to the apps either. I've never used the free apps, but I've used the paid for apps. On the Shooter app, it pulls up a chart just like you'd have taped to your stock. I don't know about other programs, but with Shooter, that's how it is. You can pull up a chart and set the increments to be whatever you want them to be, whether that's 25, 50, 100 yards or something else. If you prefer, it also has the option to just put in one distance and get a solution for. I don't like to depend on electronics, so I actually have the dope memorized on my pet loads for the round numbers, and the windage. I also have a quick way devised for my loads that I've learned to calculate windage in the field. Obviously this only works if you're not always shooting a lot of calibers, or have a really good memory. I know lots of guys that have small laminated cards that they have a attached by the scope turret, or a chart taped to the stock. Personally, I like them to be laminated if they're going to see much field use because that's the only way they will last for very long.

For those that do like charts, there are some other options besides just having some chart that you tape on the stock. Part of it depends on how much information you may want. Not everybody's demands are the same. Some people would like to run just some basic data, and others may want other things like density altitude where you have corrections for humidity, barometric pressure, elevation, etc. Some people like to make print little charts like this and put them on flip up covers (if you run them).

[Image: flipupchart3.jpg]

If you do run flip up covers, they make inserts that fit inside of your covers. They can come with preprinted distances and you just fill in your drop and drift, or they make versions where you can fill in 10 distances.

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If you aren't interested in taping something to your stock, then there's some other options. I completely understand this if you have a particular rifle with a wood stock that you may not want to tape something to. Leupold makes a "retractable ballistics chart". It's a little reel that attaches to your scope tube, and then you pull it out to see your dope, and it'll roll back up.

[Image: retracting-ballistics-data-tape-holder-from-leupold]

Many people may not realize this, and I actually forgot about it at first, but I've been meaning to get one. There is a "cheap" ballistics calculator that you can carry with you that is NOT electronic. It's a "manual" ballistic calculator, and from what I understand, they work VERY well. They will solve for anything that you'd get from a computer, but you can carry it with you. They're not exactly "cheap", but cheaper than buying a palm pilot or a smart phone if you don't already have one. You'd want to look at the "Whiz wheel" from Accuracy 1st. On the surface, it may appear complicated to some people, but it's really not. You can be taught to use one rather quickly. They will calculate affects of density altitude, windage, spin drift, drop, angles, lead for movers, and corrections for difference in velocity. It's neat because it gives you TRUE values for angled wind, and not just people guessing. Contrary to popular believe, "half wind" value isn't literally half of the full value wind. The other neat thing is that you can actually "true" the wheel to your actual load the way you would with a ballistic program on a computer. If you want to have the reals custom made for dope that you already have, they'll make them for you. Once you own the sleeve, you can actually buy 3 different solvers for other calibers or conditions for $24. If you purchase the 3 sleeves with the solver (2 extra) initially, it's only $15 for the 2 extra (3 total) that you get. It's something to think about anyway. I hope this helps.

[Image: Whiz-Wheel-Two-1024x768.jpg]
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#8
That looks perfect - just what I was looking for.

Who sells it ? Where can I but it ?? Accuracy Inc?? I'll give it a search.

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Pa.Bill;113101 Wrote:That looks perfect - just what I was looking for.

Who sells it ? Where can I but it ?? Accuracy Inc?? I'll give it a search.

~THANK YOU~
BILL------------------------------------>

You can purchase it directly from Accuracy 1st. I'll link you to their main Whiz Wheel page, since I don't know if you're former military or not. They do offer a discount to former military and law enforcement. From what I understand, you do NOT have to be active duty. Since you are former military you will qualify for the discount, but if the trouble of proving it isn't worth it to you, then you could just click on "civilian" and it'll take you to the wheels without the discount. If you're shooting a military cartridge and load, you can choose the military versions. If you want to give them the data for your particular load, you can go down to one of their custom versions, spec them out, and they'll run the calculations and get them out for you.

https://www.accuracy1stdg.com/store/catD...m?catID=13

Edit: I just saw your signature, and obviously you're a veteran, so I've removed the part about civilian.
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