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topsykretts;108297 Wrote:
rmagill;108268 Wrote:It's not really. What becomes debatable is that those plates are automatically ran to see if the vehicle is stolen, owner has warrants, etc. WITHOUT any probable cause or R.A.S. to justify the "search" of information related to the license plate.

That isn't debatable either, none of that information is subject to reasonable suspicion. It isn't considered a search or seizure of anything. Any cop can run your license plate and check you for warrants for absolutely no reason.

And they can hold a picture of you and your kids standing outside your car on file indefinitely when you've done nothing wrong?

We aren't talking about running a plate, we're talking about photographing everyone's plate.

Which, why would you need to do that anyway? When you go to the DMV, isn't there already a record of your license and your car information?
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RugerGirl;108306 Wrote:
topsykretts;108297 Wrote:That isn't debatable either, none of that information is subject to reasonable suspicion. It isn't considered a search or seizure of anything. Any cop can run your license plate and check you for warrants for absolutely no reason.

And they can hold a picture of you and your kids standing outside your car on file indefinitely when you've done nothing wrong?

We aren't talking about running a plate, we're talking about photographing everyone's plate.

Which, why would you need to do that anyway? When you go to the DMV, isn't there already a record of your license and your car information?

well, if you're standing outside of your car in public with your kids you have no expectation of privacy, so yes. I guess you'd need to photograph everyone's plates because that is how the scanner works. An image needs to be stored and then analyzed and converted into something that can be searched for in the license database. I'm sure they *COULD* make it so that the files are erased afterwards, but that would be a liability if a crime was committed while the scan took place, or the vehicle was stolen, anything where it would become relevant later.

There's no real violation of anyone's privacy here. People are just not used to the automation and think that because its being done automatically its more intrusive than it would be if police had to think up a reason to search on their own. They don't NEED to do that however. A machine on the other hand doesn't care, it just does what its designed to do. Its not prejudicial in who's car its going to scan. In that sense, I find this to be a good thing, and I am the last person to support surveillance of any sort.
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topsykretts;108338 Wrote:
RugerGirl;108306 Wrote:And they can hold a picture of you and your kids standing outside your car on file indefinitely when you've done nothing wrong?

We aren't talking about running a plate, we're talking about photographing everyone's plate.

Which, why would you need to do that anyway? When you go to the DMV, isn't there already a record of your license and your car information?

well, if you're standing outside of your car in public with your kids you have no expectation of privacy, so yes. I guess you'd need to photograph everyone's plates because that is how the scanner works. An image needs to be stored and then analyzed and converted into something that can be searched for in the license database. I'm sure they *COULD* make it so that the files are erased afterwards, but that would be a liability if a crime was committed while the scan took place, or the vehicle was stolen, anything where it would become relevant later.

There's no real violation of anyone's privacy here. People are just not used to the automation and think that because its being done automatically its more intrusive than it would be if police had to think up a reason to search on their own. They don't NEED to do that however. A machine on the other hand doesn't care, it just does what its designed to do. Its not prejudicial in who's car its going to scan. In that sense, I find this to be a good thing, and I am the last person to support surveillance of any sort.

We obviously have different opinions on this matter, which is why this is debatable.
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