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Most unemployed do not want to work
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Well, this is encouraging.... Rolleyes

http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/giving...le/2556177

Quote:Nearly four in 10 Americans, or 92 million, are not in the labor force and now there’s a reason why: They have simply given up and don’t want to work.

According to the Bureau of Labor Statistics, the largest group of people not in the labor force are those who don’t want a job, a remarkable statement on the nation’s work ethic. The federal job counter said that 85.9 million adults last month didn’t want a job, or 93 percent of all adults not in the labor force.
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RugerGirl;156674 Wrote:Well, this is encouraging.... Rolleyes

http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/giving...le/2556177

Quote:Nearly four in 10 Americans, or 92 million, are not in the labor force and now there’s a reason why: They have simply given up and don’t want to work.

According to the Bureau of Labor Statistics, the largest group of people not in the labor force are those who don’t want a job, a remarkable statement on the nation’s work ethic. The federal job counter said that 85.9 million adults last month didn’t want a job, or 93 percent of all adults not in the labor force.

This is a cut and paste of my analysis from PAFOA. Basically the numbers in the article don't make sense and I think are heavily misrepresented

Does anyone ever look at the numbers and question where they are actually coming from or what they really mean? This title seems misleading and meant to be sensational.

Using this site for census data: http://www.infoplease.com/us/census/...mographic.html

According to the OP article, 92 million Americans out of 281,421,906 don't have a job give or take.

According to the census data 80,473265 Americans (28.6%) are under 19. Some in this age range work, some do not, but I am sure a large part of that 92 million come from this group. And while I have no problem with teens working, I'm not getting upset if they focus on school or other things.

Another 34,991,753 (12.5%) are 65 or over. 41,256,029 are 62 or over. Some people work well into retirement age, but I am sure a large part of the 92,000,000 are in this group. And if someone has work during most of their life and wants to enjoy their old age, more power to them.

So 115,465,018 American that could potentially (and understandably imo.) be unemployed between these two groups, but a lot of people work under 18 and a lot work well past 64.

That leaves 169,956,888 (58.9%) people between 20 and 64. According to the the Bureau of Labor Statistics which is cited in the article, there are currently 9 million people unemployed in America. Getting rid of the young and old, a big number, but no where near as sensational as 92 million.

A link to the Bureau of labor statistics. http://www.bls.gov/news.release/empsit.nr0.htm

Of that 9 million 2.9 million have been unemployed for more than 27 weeks. (considered long term) According to the Bureau that they are citing in the article, the number of Americans without a long term job has decreased by 1.1 million over the last year. Of those who are long term unemployed 2.2 million have not looked for work. But of those 2.2 million, 1.4 have not looked for work because of school attendance or family responsibilities. The remaining 770,000 are considered distress worker or people who have not bothered to look for jobs.

770,000 may be a lot, but not the end of the world like the title of the article seems to be implying when it says "Giving up: 40% women, 28% men, 39% youth don't want a job".

Just my take, I've seen it mentioned many times that numbers can be twisted to mean anything, antis are master of this, but it is not just reserved for them. It does not hurt to not accept anything at face value when numbers are being thrown out there.
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I think the point is the attitude of the up and coming generation. When I was a kid, all 16 year olds got jobs in order to save for college, buy a car, help pay insurance, etc. The McDonalds I worked at also hired a couple of 14-15 year olds for certain jobs, although it was more annoying because they were not allowed to do most of the regular work because of their age. I doubt they still do that, though, that was awhile ago, and it was out west.

According to the poll, they asked 16-24 year olds if they were interested in working. A good number said no. The thing is, this is our next generation...and in general they are lazy. This can be seen in the schools as well. A good number of kids simply do not care about school or work. They are not interested in responsibility. Money and things come too easy for them....why work?

I know that my kids....I feel like we probably give them a little too much but we do not spoil them...my oldest who is 14 already wants to figure out how he can start working a real job by next year because he wants income. My 9 year old is trying to figure out how he can start a landscaping business by the time he is 12 or 13. My 12 year old is a lazy butt but we are hoping to change that! ha. And my 7 year old is just a 7 year old for now. So it is not unreasonable to expect that hopefully the majority of teens and young adults would want to work a job, have some income????
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Internet troll;156676 Wrote:
RugerGirl;156674 Wrote:Well, this is encouraging.... Rolleyes

http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/giving...le/2556177

This is a cut and paste of my analysis from PAFOA. Basically the numbers in the article don't make sense and I think are heavily misrepresented

Does anyone ever look at the numbers and question where they are actually coming from or what they really mean? This title seems misleading and meant to be sensational.

Using this site for census data: http://www.infoplease.com/us/census/...mographic.html

According to the OP article, 92 million Americans out of 281,421,906 don't have a job give or take.

According to the census data 80,473265 Americans (28.6%) are under 19. Some in this age range work, some do not, but I am sure a large part of that 92 million come from this group. And while I have no problem with teens working, I'm not getting upset if they focus on school or other things.

Another 34,991,753 (12.5%) are 65 or over. 41,256,029 are 62 or over. Some people work well into retirement age, but I am sure a large part of the 92,000,000 are in this group. And if someone has work during most of their life and wants to enjoy their old age, more power to them.

So 115,465,018 American that could potentially (and understandably imo.) be unemployed between these two groups, but a lot of people work under 18 and a lot work well past 64.

That leaves 169,956,888 (58.9%) people between 20 and 64. According to the the Bureau of Labor Statistics which is cited in the article, there are currently 9 million people unemployed in America. Getting rid of the young and old, a big number, but no where near as sensational as 92 million.

A link to the Bureau of labor statistics. http://www.bls.gov/news.release/empsit.nr0.htm

Of that 9 million 2.9 million have been unemployed for more than 27 weeks. (considered long term) According to the Bureau that they are citing in the article, the number of Americans without a long term job has decreased by 1.1 million over the last year. Of those who are long term unemployed 2.2 million have not looked for work. But of those 2.2 million, 1.4 have not looked for work because of school attendance or family responsibilities. The remaining 770,000 are considered distress worker or people who have not bothered to look for jobs.

770,000 may be a lot, but not the end of the world like the title of the article seems to be implying when it says "Giving up: 40% women, 28% men, 39% youth don't want a job".

Just my take, I've seen it mentioned many times that numbers can be twisted to mean anything, antis are master of this, but it is not just reserved for them. It does not hurt to not accept anything at face value when numbers are being thrown out there.
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RugerGirl;156677 Wrote:I think the point is the attitude of the up and coming generation. When I was a kid, all 16 year olds got jobs in order to save for college, buy a car, help pay insurance, etc. The McDonalds I worked at also hired a couple of 14-15 year olds for certain jobs, although it was more annoying because they were not allowed to do most of the regular work because of their age. I doubt they still do that, though, that was awhile ago, and it was out west.

According to the poll, they asked 16-24 year olds if they were interested in working. A good number said no. The thing is, this is our next generation...and in general they are lazy. This can be seen in the schools as well. A good number of kids simply do not care about school or work. They are not interested in responsibility. Money and things come too easy for them....why work?

I know that my kids....I feel like we probably give them a little too much but we do not spoil them...my oldest who is 14 already wants to figure out how he can start working a real job by next year because he wants income. My 9 year old is trying to figure out how he can start a landscaping business by the time he is 12 or 13. My 12 year old is a lazy butt but we are hoping to change that! ha. And my 7 year old is just a 7 year old for now. So it is not unreasonable to expect that hopefully the majority of teens and young adults would want to work a job, have some income????


That was not the point. The point was to mislead.

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Most employed people do not want to eat either.
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RugerGirl;156677 Wrote:I think the point is the attitude of the up and coming generation. When I was a kid, all 16 year olds got jobs in order to save for college, buy a car, help pay insurance, etc. The McDonalds I worked at also hired a couple of 14-15 year olds for certain jobs, although it was more annoying because they were not allowed to do most of the regular work because of their age. I doubt they still do that, though, that was awhile ago, and it was out west.

According to the poll, they asked 16-24 year olds if they were interested in working. A good number said no. The thing is, this is our next generation...and in general they are lazy. This can be seen in the schools as well. A good number of kids simply do not care about school or work. They are not interested in responsibility. Money and things come too easy for them....why work?

I know that my kids....I feel like we probably give them a little too much but we do not spoil them...my oldest who is 14 already wants to figure out how he can start working a real job by next year because he wants income. My 9 year old is trying to figure out how he can start a landscaping business by the time he is 12 or 13. My 12 year old is a lazy butt but we are hoping to change that! ha. And my 7 year old is just a 7 year old for now. So it is not unreasonable to expect that hopefully the majority of teens and young adults would want to work a job, have some income????

From personal experience, I teach seniors at a suburban/urban school, and I can honestly say over 2/3rds of my students work. It's a problem because it affects there school work. I know others who want to work but can't for a variety of reasons including their parents won't let them while they are in school. Articles like this try to paint the younger generation as hopeless, and give people something to get up in arms about, that's what sells papers. Some kids do fit the profile they are trying to paint. The vast majority in my experience do not fit the profile though. And the numbers they throw around in that article are purposely misrepresented to get a rise out of people imo.
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#7
Our welfare system does need to be amended/overhauled, regardless of how many unemployed people actually don't want to work.
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Internet troll;156685 Wrote:
RugerGirl;156677 Wrote:I think the point is the attitude of the up and coming generation. When I was a kid, all 16 year olds got jobs in order to save for college, buy a car, help pay insurance, etc. The McDonalds I worked at also hired a couple of 14-15 year olds for certain jobs, although it was more annoying because they were not allowed to do most of the regular work because of their age. I doubt they still do that, though, that was awhile ago, and it was out west.

According to the poll, they asked 16-24 year olds if they were interested in working. A good number said no. The thing is, this is our next generation...and in general they are lazy. This can be seen in the schools as well. A good number of kids simply do not care about school or work. They are not interested in responsibility. Money and things come too easy for them....why work?

I know that my kids....I feel like we probably give them a little too much but we do not spoil them...my oldest who is 14 already wants to figure out how he can start working a real job by next year because he wants income. My 9 year old is trying to figure out how he can start a landscaping business by the time he is 12 or 13. My 12 year old is a lazy butt but we are hoping to change that! ha. And my 7 year old is just a 7 year old for now. So it is not unreasonable to expect that hopefully the majority of teens and young adults would want to work a job, have some income????

From personal experience, I teach seniors at a suburban/urban school, and I can honestly say over 2/3rds of my students work. It's a problem because it affects there school work. I know others who want to work but can't for a variety of reasons including their parents won't let them while they are in school. Articles like this try to paint the younger generation as hopeless, and give people something to get up in arms about, that's what sells papers. Some kids do fit the profile they are trying to paint. The vast majority in my experience do not fit the profile though. And the numbers they throw around in that article are purposely misrepresented to get a rise out of people imo.


I have found that kids a few years out of school get a rude awakening. They learn that they will be working for the next e0 or 40 years.
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I have now been employed for 24 years. I don't want to work anymore, either. However, I do want to continue to improve my home, my child's future, buy myself nice things, and someday retire without the need for any public assistance.

Having a job so I could be independent of my "could care less" parents for food and clothing at the age of fourteen taught me that self reliance is always better than being dependent of the dole (in those days, a meager allowance that never seemed to actually get paid), and to be wary of those in "power" who say they know how to do better with my money than I do (which in those days ment raids on my savings account to cover my step father's gambling debts... Nothing like having the $1,000 youve saved up from a few months of scraping floors and cleaning processing machines in a butcher shop just up and disappear to burn THAT lesson into your brain).
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