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Mr_Gixxer's Pistol Range Build
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Group shoot at Gixxers!
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#12
I haven't quite finished the range just yet, been busy and I still have to hunt down about 8 more truck tires and about a dozen more car tires. Another thing I need to do is change the eye screws out with eye bolts. The eye screws just won't hold up and one already pulled out. I'll update this thread when it's done.

Rik Bitter;165963 Wrote:The range looks awesome. It's hard not to be jealous actually.

I'd suggest some shredded tire mulch, it kind of fits with your re-purposed materials motif.

I like that idea. A good thing about rubber mulch is that it won't break down like wood mulch does. There's a place local that can get that stuff in, I'll have to check it out.

streaker69;165968 Wrote:Group shoot at Gixxers!

Hang Yea man, come on up! Some day I'll have my permanent rifle range built too. I've got room here to shoot up to 1000 yards easily.
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#13
You need a 2nd column of tires which go behind and in between the first row.

Looking kind of like this:

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Otherwise, any sunlight you see will be found by your most dangerous and lethal round just as someone is passing behind it.

If you can see though your backstop at all, that is where bullets will always seek to go. Do not be too careful.

And, I'm jealous. Congratulations! Looks great.

Side note...why doesn't anyone ever worry about ricochets from those metal targets?
Vampire pig man since September 2012
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Camper;165972 Wrote:You need a 2nd column of tires which go behind and in between the first row.

Looking kind of like this:

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Otherwise, any sunlight you see will be found by your most dangerous and lethal round just as someone is passing behind it.

If you can see though your backstop at all, that is where bullets will always seek to go. Do not be too careful.

And, I'm jealous. Congratulations! Looks great.

Side note...why doesn't anyone ever worry about ricochets from those metal targets?

That's what the stacks of car tires are for. Try to keep up!:p

The only reason you still see daylight in the gaps is because I didn't have enough car tires when I took the picture. Plus I didn't show you the back side of the range, mainly because I didn't want my house in the image. It's in my back yard after all.

And ricochets, the plates hang on an angle with the chains attached behind the plates. You could make this angle greater by putting washers between the chains and plates too. Another thing that helps is the fact they're hanging to begin with which the force of the bullet impact increases the angle of the plates too as they get pushed back.

I think the only way ricochets would be a concern is if they were struck on the backswing or if the surface got pitted. That's why you use hardened steel and shoot them with rounds that are slower than 3000 fps. I'd never damage these plates though being a pistol only range.
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streaker69;165968 Wrote:Group shoot at Gixxers!

QFT

Justin
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Mr_Gixxer;165975 Wrote:That's what the stacks of car tires are for. Try to keep up!:p

The only reason you still see daylight in the gaps is because I didn't have enough car tires when I took the picture. Plus I didn't show you the back side of the range, mainly because I didn't want my house in the image. It's in my back yard after all.

I missed where you were looking for tires, but I saw those gaps and had visions of that incident a few years ago where the lady was driving down the country road and a bullet either hit her car, or broke her window or something because a dad and his son were shooting AK-47s in their back yard. Was a big to-do and resulted in arrests if I remember right. Would hate to see that happen here.


Quote:I think the only way ricochets would be a concern is if they were struck on the backswing or if the surface got pitted. That's why you use hardened steel and shoot them with rounds that are slower than 3000 fps. I'd never damage these plates though being a pistol only range.

I'm not a big ballistics person, but natural inclination is to ask about something nobody else is. I know ricochets don't happen as often as they do in the movies, but they do happen. I had a BB come back and smack me in the mouth when I was a kid, and that was one of those tin BB targets. I would imagine a bullet could do similar, so I figured it was worth questioning Smile
Vampire pig man since September 2012
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#17
I replaced all the eye screws with eye bolts today. I drilled up through the top beam and secured the eye bolts from the top with a nut and washer. This will hold up much better to daily use I think.

After tightening up all the bolts I decided to try it out again. The .380 doesn't hit those heavy 1/2" plates very hard but MAN does that 230gr .45 get that big 12" plate-a-swingin'! Another thing I noticed was I'm starting to get a good collection of round lead "chips" all along the ground directly below the plates. I also noticed tiny shards of jacket fragments embedded in the posts and top beam. They'd sure make for some nasty eye getters. Ear and eye pro is a DEFINITE must with these targets.
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I always try to shoot plated or hardcast when doing closeup work on steel if it's hanging vertically (within 10').
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#19
As far as ricochet is concerned, a BB will ricochet because it's solid steel, it doesn't deform or fragment like lead does. When a lead bullet hits the steel it will transfer it's energy to the plate instantly, any energy that's left will be much less than it was originally. The "round lead chips" you're finding is testament to the fact that the energy is depleted and the lead falls very near the plates. You'll probably notice spalling in the ground right below the plates too. I've seen lots of steel plates being shot and there is always a line of "dug up" dirt in the ground right in front of or right below the plates. Copper fragments will have enough energy and will be sharp enough to stick into the wood frame or dig up the dirt but they are so light that they lose their energy fairly quickly and don't travel very far before they fall to the ground.A shot glancing off the edge might cause a ricochet if the impact isn't direct enough to deform or destroy the bullet but that ricochet would continue on an altered path that takes it further from the shooter and target. A glancing blow isn't going to come back at the shooter and a hit that is direct enough to come back, (like a BB might), is going to be direct enough to sap the energy from the bullet and fragment or distort it so severely that it will be rendered virtually harmless at any distance beyond a few feet. I was hit one time by a ricochet from a 45-70 that was fired into a dirt bank at 25 yards, (no steel plates involved with this one). It must have hit a rock, (or more likely a few rocks to get it to take that path). I was standing several feet behind the pavilion the shooter was firing from. The shot was fired, the dirt bank showed the point of impact with a puff of dust then about 2 seconds later I heard something hit the metal roof of the pavilion, it bounced or rolled making noise that sounded like it dropped from the sky and bounced to the back edge where it fell and bumped my chest. I saw it hit the ground near my feet and picked it up. It was a cast lead bullet with no copper jacket, it was pretty badly deformed and barely had enough energy to make it back to where I was standing. That's my only experience with a ricochet except with steel BBs from an air rifle. I guess I have heard one or two that flew off into the distance from a dirt bank, they sounded similar to every shot fired in a western movie when they all ricochet but those are very rare in my experience. (Not impossible, but very rare).
Here is a super slow motion video (one million frames per second), of many bullet impacts of many types & styles of bullets, into many types of target materials including paper, steel, plastic, glass, gel and liquid. You can see how they react even when hitting a steel target that's deliberately angled, apparently trying to capture a ricochet and a few glancing off the edge of a steel target.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QfDoQwIAaXg
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Dude, spall.
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