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My First - "You Should Cover That Up"
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Finally getting around to posting about this, but it happened last Friday at a new local bar, Beer Mongers.

So, we'd been in there about an hour or so, a large group of us, 5 couples. This place has a large bar, with a lot of walking room around it. We were sitting, standing, and milling about one corner of the bar and some of our group was playing pool at the further away of the 2 pool tables. So I'm standing there chit chatting with my friends, and this guy playing pool at the table closer to us comes around the table looking like he's getting ready to take a shot. Out of the corner of my eye I see him straighten up then walk up to me and motioning to my OC 1911, "You shouldn't have that out like that, you should cover it up." I told him that it was legal to be open. He mumbled something about working for parole or something, then said it wasn't wise and tried grabbing my shirt. I snatched his hand and held it firmly in mine while giving him a cold stare. He starts to back away saying he wasn't trying to be a dick. I said, "Good." He returned to playing pool, I returned to my friends. The rest of the night went well. No managers, no cops. A little while later I did catch the guy still giving me the hairy eyeball, but then they left shortly after.
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15Truckman;15139 Wrote:He mumbled something about working for parole or something, then said it wasn't wise and tried grabbing my shirt. I snatched his hand and held it firmly in mine while giving him a cold stare. He starts to back away saying he wasn't trying to be a dick. I said, "Good." He returned to playing pool, I returned to my friends.

Heh. Yeah, "Well, next time, try harder not to be a dick; you failed tonight."

However, that's kinda inflammatory, I guess. You did better than I would have. Reaching toward me is a big no-no.
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#3
Good on you for keeping cool and not saying anything to escalate. Good SA to notice him behind you.
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#4
Wow...

Agreeing with the 2 posters above, well done at avoiding escalating the situation any further. Most especially when he went for the shirt. Now, I wasn't there, and I haven't been in a situation like that since junior high, maybe. But generally, when someone else has already gone physical (or started to) I may have already passed beyond worrying about escalating and proceeded directly to self-defense.

It seems your actions here were quite appropriate since it ended quickly, and it was you that ended it. Generally I can be extremely laid back in the face of the biggest asshole, but if someone is going to condescend and then get physical, well, let's just say you exercised a very impressive amount of restraint and self-control.

Sorry it happened at all, glad it ended as well as it did. I'm buying your next Roburitto!
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15Truckman;15139 Wrote:Finally getting around to posting about this, but it happened last Friday at a new local bar, Beer Mongers.

So, we'd been in there about an hour or so, a large group of us, 5 couples. This place has a large bar, with a lot of walking room around it. We were sitting, standing, and milling about one corner of the bar and some of our group was playing pool at the further away of the 2 pool tables. So I'm standing there chit chatting with my friends, and this guy playing pool at the table closer to us comes around the table looking like he's getting ready to take a shot. Out of the corner of my eye I see him straighten up then walk up to me and motioning to my OC 1911, "You shouldn't have that out like that, you should cover it up." I told him that it was legal to be open. He mumbled something about working for parole or something, then said it wasn't wise and tried grabbing my shirt. I snatched his hand and held it firmly in mine while giving him a cold stare. He starts to back away saying he wasn't trying to be a dick. I said, "Good." He returned to playing pool, I returned to my friends. The rest of the night went well. No managers, no cops. A little while later I did catch the guy still giving me the hairy eyeball, but then they left shortly after.

As someone with years of working in clubs/bars, it boggles my mind that someone would actually open carry in a crowded bar.

Were i the bartender i would have tossed both of you (you and pool guy) out on the spot just to avoid further trouble for myself later at night when you're both drunk and feeling froggy around closing time. Most of the time, your 2am belligerents make themselves known earlier in the night with confrontations with other customers.
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Valorius;15175 Wrote:It boggles my mind that someone would actually open carry in a bar, while drinking alcohol.

^^^THIS.

There's nothing wrong with having a drink or two while carrying (IMO), but to open carry in an establishment full of drunk people is insane. I can see going to a nice restaurant and having a glass of wine or a beer while CC'ing...but to go to an actual bar and open carry? No way I'd do it.
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#7
I'm all for peoples rights and OCing, but if i'm bartending, it is the dictatorship of me.

No one in the place needs to be walking around with plainly visible weapons that are going to instigate the half drunk hard asses in the bar into doing something stupid to try and impress their buddies or girlfriend.

I have seen men in bars pick a fight with the biggest strongest dude in the place, who then proceeds to beat the piss out of them (sometimes literally).

Later, when quizzed about it, you hear things like, "I wanted to see how tough he/I was."

"He was staring at me"

"He gave me a dirty look."

"He smiled at my girlfriend"

And blah, blah, blah. Guns and alcohol and a high concentration of drunks really DO NOT mix.
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#9
Thanks guys for the positive remarks and rep!
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#10
Have to agree with Val and Bacon and I think this is a strong example of what sets this place apart from PAFOA.

Outside of a bar, situations like this are why I don't OC but have tremendous amounts of respect for people who do. I would not have been able to keep my cool in that scenario, whether in a bar or somewhere else.
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