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I want to direct someone to pertinent information with links.
This for a friend of a friend, perhaps I shouldn't be so willing to try to help, but I just feel the need. Please don't hold it against me if I don't have all of the info you think I should have to ask a few questions to help someone out.
A friend told me that he has a friend who is a New Jersey Resident and wants to hunt in Pa. with a handgun and wants to know the particulars before he gets too excited about following through with it.
My first thought was to tell him about restrictions on type of handgun, as in no semi-auto, it has to be revolver or single shot.
I can forward this link for the hunting basics:
http://www.portal.state.pa.us/portal/ser...783&mode=2
but he's concerned about staying legal while carrying and transporting his handgun.
(I know I could find everything online but if it's already been compiled and someone can point me to it that would be so much quicker and easier. I could also just send him a link to the UFA and an application and instructions for a Pa. LTCF, but I think an existing discussion would be better.)

First of all I was told that he has a New Jersey license or permit or whatever it's called on that side of the line. As far as I know he may have been referring to a FOID but maybe he meant permit to carry. Shrug Like I said I don't have all of the info I need to ask specific questions or try to give specific advice, that's why I'm asking for links to discussions with fact to support the opinions expressed in those discussions.
I'd like to tell him that to keep his ass covered as well as he can he should apply for a non-resident LTCF but I don't know if that's really the best advice. (Even though it sounds perfectly logical to me). I know this has been discussed on PAFOA and it has probably been discussed here too but I didn't get the results I thought I wanted from my search efforts.
Can anyone come up with a link to a thread (or threads) that I could forward to him so he can read opinions and follow links to statutes to clarify what he should know?
I'm not even sure what game he wants to hunt. I could assume it's deer but it could be turkey, small game or something else.
If he does apply for a non-resident LTCF, Is there a non-res friendly county closer to N.J. than Centre county? (I ask because of this):
Quote:Licenses to carry firearms applications via mail has been discontinued as of March 31, 2011.
http://centrecountypa.gov/index.aspx?NID=405
(Is that statewide or only Centre county? It looks like it's statewide to me by the wording I see there).
Any help with direction to getting accurate information will be greatly appreciated.

The type of questions I'm sure he'll want to be clear on are questions like this:
Do references need to be Pa. residents?
Are there additional restrictions that non-residents need to abide by?
Any other simple questions that someone totally unfamiliar to Pa. carry laws might have.

Thanks in advance for any help.
There are three types of people in the world:
Those who make things happen,
Those who watch things happen,
And those who wonder what happened.
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Sportsman permit, hunting license, unloaded in case.
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thefirstndsecond;120377 Wrote:Sportsman permit, hunting license, unloaded in case.

That sounds straightforward enough.
"Unloaded in case" works for transport, but while in the field will the sportsman's permit cover him if his handgun is accidentally concealed? (As in coat inadvertently covers handgun).
I like to make sure all bases are covered because there have been too many cases of someone suffering bad consequences due to unanticipated circumstances creating an unfavorable situation resulting in punishment meted out under the broad scope of "zero tolerance" or "ignorance of the law is no excuse".
There are three types of people in the world:
Those who make things happen,
Those who watch things happen,
And those who wonder what happened.
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mauser;120386 Wrote:
thefirstndsecond;120377 Wrote:Sportsman permit, hunting license, unloaded in case.

That sounds straightforward enough.
"Unloaded in case" works for transport, but while in the field will the sportsman's permit cover him if his handgun is accidentally concealed? (As in coat inadvertently covers handgun).
I like to make sure all bases are covered because there have been too many cases of someone suffering bad consequences due to unanticipated circumstances creating an unfavorable situation resulting in punishment meted out under the broad scope of "zero tolerance" or "ignorance of the law is no excuse".

Quote:Firearms - Handguns: A Sportsman’s Firearms Permit or a License to
Carry Firearms is required to carry a handgun, or have in a motor vehicle.
Licenses to Carry Firearms permits are issued by county sheriffs or the
Philadelphia Chief of Police. The License to Carry Firearms permit only
entitles bowhunters or spotlighters, for instance, to carry firearms that fallwithin this classification. County treasurers issue Sportsman’s FirearmsPermits. A person holding a Sportsman’s Firearms Permit may not carry a concealed handgun or a loaded handgun in a vehicle, and may not carry a handgun while bowhunting or spotlighting.

That's what's in the manual.


No! Don't carry concealed!
Quote:An individual who is age 18 or older and is licensed to hunt, trap or fish, or who has been issued a permit relating to hunting dogs, may apply for a Sportsman's Firearm Permit by submitting a completed application along with the required fee to the county treasurer's office. The permit shall be issued immediately and be valid throughout this Commonwealth for a period of five years from the date of issue for any "legal firearm", when carried in conjunction with a valid hunting, furtaking or fishing license, or permit relating to hunting dogs. The issuances of a Sportsman’s Firearm Permit allows the individual to carry a firearm if such persons are actually hunting, taking furbearers, fishing or training dogs, or are going to the places where they desire to hunt, take furbearers, fish, or train dogs during the regular training season, or returning from such places. A Sportsman's Firearm Permit is NOT a License to Carry a firearm concealed.
http://www.portal.state.pa.us/portal/ser...ion/462424
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P89;120398 Wrote:No! Don't carry concealed!
Quote:An individual who is age 18 or older and is licensed to hunt, trap or fish, or who has been issued a permit relating to hunting dogs, may apply for a Sportsman's Firearm Permit by submitting a completed application along with the required fee to the county treasurer's office. The permit shall be issued immediately and be valid throughout this Commonwealth for a period of five years from the date of issue for any "legal firearm", when carried in conjunction with a valid hunting, furtaking or fishing license, or permit relating to hunting dogs. The issuances of a Sportsman’s Firearm Permit allows the individual to carry a firearm if such persons are actually hunting, taking furbearers, fishing or training dogs, or are going to the places where they desire to hunt, take furbearers, fish, or train dogs during the regular training season, or returning from such places. A Sportsman's Firearm Permit is NOT a License to Carry a firearm concealed.
http://www.portal.state.pa.us/portal/ser...ion/462424

That was my understanding and that's why I'm leaning toward advising him to apply for a non-resident LTCF. Another benefit is that he'd be covered if he comes back to Pa. for other reasons while his LTCF is valid.
It just allows more freedom with less hassle once it's approved and issued.
There are three types of people in the world:
Those who make things happen,
Those who watch things happen,
And those who wonder what happened.
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mauser;120403 Wrote:
P89;120398 Wrote:No! Don't carry concealed!
http://www.portal.state.pa.us/portal/ser...ion/462424

That was my understanding and that's why I'm leaning toward advising him to apply for a non-resident LTCF. Another benefit is that he'd be covered if he comes back to Pa. for other reasons while his LTCF is valid.
It just allows more freedom with less hassle once it's approved and issued.
But, unless he has one of the almost mythical NJ carry licenses, he's not eligible for a PA LTCF.

I'm not even sure what state he may be able to get that will cover him here. Even if he does find one, it could change with the next swoop of the AG's pen rewriting agreements....
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ivwarrior;120448 Wrote:
mauser;120403 Wrote:That was my understanding and that's why I'm leaning toward advising him to apply for a non-resident LTCF. Another benefit is that he'd be covered if he comes back to Pa. for other reasons while his LTCF is valid.
It just allows more freedom with less hassle once it's approved and issued.
But, unless he has one of the almost mythical NJ carry licenses, he's not eligible for a PA LTCF.

I'm not even sure what state he may be able to get that will cover him here. Even if he does find one, it could change with the next swoop of the AG's pen rewriting agreements....

I was leaning toward advising to get a non-res LTCF when I thought he might have one of those mythical N.J license things but after another conversation I think he has a FOID and not a license/permit to carry. If that's the case the non-res LTCF would be a no-go. I have an extra copy of Pennsylvania Laws Relating to Firearms that I'll offer, at this point I think education is the best thing he can equip himself with.
There are three types of people in the world:
Those who make things happen,
Those who watch things happen,
And those who wonder what happened.
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#8
If he is handgun hunting why would it be concealed? The hand guns you would use to hunt could be carried in holster that goes across your chest.
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thefirstndsecond;120542 Wrote:If he is handgun hunting why would it be concealed? The hand guns you would use to hunt could be carried in holster that goes across your chest.

I'm looking toward avoiding accidental or unintentional "concealment" scenarios that could lead to punishment, as stated in my previous post.

mauser;120386 Wrote:
thefirstndsecond;120377 Wrote:Sportsman permit, hunting license, unloaded in case.

That sounds straightforward enough.
"Unloaded in case" works for transport, but while in the field will the sportsman's permit cover him if his handgun is accidentally concealed? (As in coat inadvertently covers handgun).
I like to make sure all bases are covered because there have been too many cases of someone suffering bad consequences due to unanticipated circumstances creating an unfavorable situation resulting in punishment meted out under the broad scope of "zero tolerance" or "ignorance of the law is no excuse".
There are three types of people in the world:
Those who make things happen,
Those who watch things happen,
And those who wonder what happened.
Reply
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thefirstndsecond;120542 Wrote:If he is handgun hunting why would it be concealed? The hand guns you would use to hunt could be carried in holster that goes across your chest.

And this is why I included this sentence in my original post:

mauser;120364 Wrote:I want to direct someone to pertinent information with links.
This for a friend of a friend, perhaps I shouldn't be so willing to try to help, but I just feel the need. Please don't hold it against me if I don't have all of the info you think I should have to ask a few questions to help someone out.
A friend told me that he has a friend who is a New Jersey Resident and wants to hunt in Pa. with a handgun and wants to know the particulars before he gets too excited about following through with it.
My first thought was to tell him about restrictions on type of handgun, as in no semi-auto, it has to be revolver or single shot.
I can forward this link for the hunting basics:
http://www.portal.state.pa.us/portal/ser...783&mode=2
but he's concerned about staying legal while carrying and transporting his handgun.
(I know I could find everything online but if it's already been compiled and someone can point me to it that would be so much quicker and easier. I could also just send him a link to the UFA and an application and instructions for a Pa. LTCF, but I think an existing discussion would be better.)

First of all I was told that he has a New Jersey license or permit or whatever it's called on that side of the line. As far as I know he may have been referring to a FOID but maybe he meant permit to carry. Shrug Like I said I don't have all of the info I need to ask specific questions or try to give specific advice, that's why I'm asking for links to discussions with fact to support the opinions expressed in those discussions.
I'd like to tell him that to keep his ass covered as well as he can he should apply for a non-resident LTCF but I don't know if that's really the best advice. (Even though it sounds perfectly logical to me). I know this has been discussed on PAFOA and it has probably been discussed here too but I didn't get the results I thought I wanted from my search efforts.
Can anyone come up with a link to a thread (or threads) that I could forward to him so he can read opinions and follow links to statutes to clarify what he should know?
I'm not even sure what game he wants to hunt. I could assume it's deer but it could be turkey, small game or something else.
If he does apply for a non-resident LTCF, Is there a non-res friendly county closer to N.J. than Centre county? (I ask because of this):
Quote:Licenses to carry firearms applications via mail has been discontinued as of March 31, 2011.
http://centrecountypa.gov/index.aspx?NID=405
(Is that statewide or only Centre county? It looks like it's statewide to me by the wording I see there).
Any help with direction to getting accurate information will be greatly appreciated.

The type of questions I'm sure he'll want to be clear on are questions like this:
Do references need to be Pa. residents?
Are there additional restrictions that non-residents need to abide by?
Any other simple questions that someone totally unfamiliar to Pa. carry laws might have.

Thanks in advance for any help.
There are three types of people in the world:
Those who make things happen,
Those who watch things happen,
And those who wonder what happened.
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