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Natural Born Citizen
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So, Ted Cruz is stirring things up, but many doubt his eligibility as he was born in Canada to an American mother and Cuban father. Eligible to run? At least he released his birth certificate.

Basically if he is eligible, then Obama was too even if actually born in Kenya, because he was born with US citizenship.

Do you guys think "natural born" means born anywhere in the world but with US citizenship?
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Mike Church had a fairly in-depth discussion about it this morning, and while that dialog isn't currently posted on the site, he does have an earlier write up regarding this here
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I am already in trouble at PAFOA on this topic.

My take is you need to be born on US soil and BOTH of your parents need to be US citizens. You need to be 35 years old and have lived in the country for 14 years.
That would make Cruz, Rubio and Obama all ineligible.

The definition of "Natural born" has evolved as much as Obama's thinking on gay marriage over the past 6 years. In 2007-8 it meant what I stated above. Magically, in 2008 academics everywhere "rethought" the issue to include the anointed one. Their old opinions disappeared from the internet as if they were made of smoke. Papers were pulled from online journals and links went dead.

The new liberal interpretation of the constitution is more inclusive, more warm and fuzzy and is sliding towards the inclusion of Dream Act kids as the left tries to eliminate our borders. Don't be surprised if in the next 20 years you see an illegal alien born in Mexico with two Mexican parents run for president after being in the country for 12 years with no birth certificate to say he was born 35 years ago.

Edit:
To summarize the Mike Church article mentioned above...
Quote:I say, that, in order to be of the country, it is necessary that a person be born of a father who is a citizen; for, if he is born there of a foreigner, it will be only the place of his birth, and not his country.
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I agree with that.... However, we now have a mostly destroyed country by not following that. Is now the time to get strict? Sigh.

(The liberals will.... They love changing the rules of the game...)
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Here is an example:

http://usgovinfo.about.com/od/thepreside...equire.htm
This page gives the "new" interpretation.

Quote:Only native-born U.S. citizens (or those born abroad, but only to parents at least one of whom was a U.S. citizen at the time) may serve president of the United States, though from time to time that requirement is called into question

But if you click on the link (time that requirement) http://americanhistory.about.com/od/uspr...ements.htm you get to this page which has not been "cleansed":

Quote:1. be a natural born U.S. citizen. Someone may be born abroad, but only if both parents were citizens of the United States. The only exception to this was for those around at the time the Constitution was adopted. Their requirement was that they had to be a citizen when the Constitution was adopted.

The question of whether Republicans should break the law because Democrats already did it is not hard for me to answer. It's no. That's the same mindset looters use. Well, the window was already broken and everyone else was doing it.
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I was stupid enough to get on Rush Limbaugh's FB page and make a comment that Cruz is going to cause a huge controversy no matter what we personally think of the issue.

One guy already got on saying I'm stupid.

Yeah whatever! He can jump blindly on the bandwagon, but we were all soooo upset about Obama's questionable credentials (I still personally think his birth certificate was faked and that he was born in Kenya), so we need to watch how far we go with this election. We may get a great guy only to have him fall apart at the end, or have the Supreme Court rule against him, and then end up with Hillary or something.
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RugerGirl;163379 Wrote:I agree with that.... However, we now have a mostly destroyed country by not following that. Is now the time to get strict? Sigh.

(The liberals will.... They love changing the rules of the game...)

Sadly, the issue goes far deeper than this. We've lost sight of what truly is the United States of America. We speak of it as a single nation when in fact it was, and is, a union of States, brought together in a compact known as the Constitution. We've lost sight as to the amount, and in what form, of governance transferred from the several states to the federal government. Where the super majority of current governance is extra-constitutional or down right unconstitutional. Where the States, exercising their appropriate powers are unconstitutionally overturned by a runaway federal judiciary.

I read your question "is now the time to get strict" under the light where you already know the answer is "yes", but are fearful that if we do then we end up with the likes of Jeb Bush and continue down the spiral of history. And you may be right in as much as we could end up with a Jeb Bush; but there is never an appropriate time to forgo your core values or abandon your principles. Victory won through the absence of virtue is no less hollow than to adhere to the perversions of that which you wish to overcome.
"The nine most terrifying words in the English language are, 'I'm from the government and I'm here to help.'" - Ronald Reagan

“The American Republic will endure until the day Congress discovers that it can bribe the public with the public's money” - Alexis de Tocqueville
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velkly;163383 Wrote:
RugerGirl;163379 Wrote:I agree with that.... However, we now have a mostly destroyed country by not following that. Is now the time to get strict? Sigh.

(The liberals will.... They love changing the rules of the game...)

Sadly, the issue goes far deeper than this. We've lost sight of what truly is the United States of America. We speak of it as a single nation when in fact it was, and is, a union of States, brought together in a compact known as the Constitution. We've lost sight as to the amount, and in what form, of governance transferred from the several states to the federal government. Where the super majority of current governance is extra-constitutional or down right unconstitutional. Where the States, exercising their appropriate powers are unconstitutionally overturned by a runaway federal judiciary.

I read your question "is now the time to get strict" under the light where you already know the answer is "yes", but are fearful that if we do then we end up with the likes of Jeb Bush and continue down the spiral of history. And you may be right in as much as we could end up with a Jeb Bush; but there is never an appropriate time to forgo your core values or abandon your principles. Victory won through the absence of virtue is no less hollow than to adhere to the perversions of that which you wish to overcome.


Yes....but we already know that liberals change the rules of the game depending on who's ahead. What was that election in Massachusetts or something where they kept changing the rules? I can't remember.

Anyway, even if we keep Cruz out....that doesn't stop the Supreme Court for okaying a Mexican illegal in 8 more years if it benefits the liberals.

If the heart of the Constitituion is going to be changed anyway, I'd rather it be changed now and give the country one last fighting chance to make a turnaround, before it's destroyed forever.
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People born on US military or US government installations/bases overseas have always qualified regardless of the country because it is technically considered "US Soil" by our government.
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Obama already broke the rule because he only had one American parent. And that's provided he really WAS born in Hawaii. (Which I doubt. I think he was born in Kenya and then they moved to Hawaii and if he got a birth certificate at all, it was a belated one.)

What makes me mad is that the liberals will be ALL OVER Cruz and try to keep him out.....when their man not only made it in with flying colors, but hid his own birth certificate, and has about ruined the country, and makes deals with terrorist countries.

Why should conservatives have to play by the rules if nobody else is? Lately, that seems to be how we LOSE.

I'm really a "play by the rules" type of person, too, but I'm interested to see how inconsistent the left is going to be here. I have no doubt this will end up at the Supreme Court.

Hey maybe it will end up at the Supreme Court, and they will rule against Cruz, and then we can nullify the past 8 years of Obama's reign of terror.....
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