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[Negative] Woodbury Outfitters (St. Clairsville, OH) told me to commit a felony.
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Yes, this involves a shop in OH but it's not too far over the line so if I can keep any of our western members from going there, it will be mission accomplished.

I made a deal to trade a modern handgun to a gentleman from Columbus and we agreed to meet today at an FFL between us, knowing it had to be done in the buyer's home state. The first place we agreed upon was closed on Mondays so I searched online and found this Woodbury Outfitters place.

They're right off of 70 and about halfway between us. So far, so good. I called on Saturday to find out their hours and how much they would charge and the girl who answered wasn't sure about the fee so she put me on hold but never came back on the line. Strike one. I called back on Sunday and explained - again - what I wanted to do and she put me on hold - again - but this time she did come back with an answer: $35. A little high but no big deal.

Got there today right as they opened and went back to the gun counter. Was greeted by the surly gun counter employee who was leaning on one of the cases and when I told him why I was there, he looked at me like I had lobsters coming out of my ears. Never in his 35 years of selling guns did he ever hear of such a thing, he tells me. He said I could just hand the gun to the buyer and be on my way. I explained that I was not an Ohio resident, and he assured me that it didn't matter. I told him that I was pretty sure selling a hand gun FTF across state lines was a felony, but he guaranteed me that it was not. Strike two.

I asked if he would just humor me and run the check on the buyer. He begrudgingly walked back to ask someone in the back room (manager? owner?) and when he emerged, he said again that there was nothing for them to do because I only needed to hand the gun to the buyer. At this point I asked him what he would do if someone from out of state shipped him a gun for an Ohio resident to pick up in the store. He answered that he would log the gun into his book and then make the NICS call when the buyer came to pick up the gun. I said "exactly, so that's what we're doing here but I drove the gun to you instead of shipping it". He asked if I was an FFL and when I said no, he said "well then I can't accept it from you because you have to use an FFL to ship it".

At this point I asked him to check with the manager/owner/whoever if he could just use my driver's license to log the gun into his book and then run the check on the buyer. He shuffled into the back room again, exchanged a few words with the mystery man in the back, and then returned to say there was nothing he could do. Strike three.

I realized that I was fighting a losing battle with this guy and that the decision maker in the back room had no interest in talking to me, so I just left. Went out to the car, grabbed the iPad, and in a matter of minutes had found two other local FFLs who understood the process immediately. Called the buyer to reroute him and within a half an hour the deal was done. Legally.

I'm used to idiots and know-it-alls working behind gun counters, but I'm not used to employees encouraging their customers to commit felonies. Figured I could email them or write them a letter but am sure they won't care at all. They're probably still convinced they were right. But all I can say is, if you're ever in need of a gun shop in western Ohio, look for Nathan's in Bellaire or Parker's in Bellmont but avoid Woodbury at all costs!
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#2
That last line is rather Walking Dead. Lol

What does the FFL care if you commit a felony? They'd have no connection to the deal if you did break the law. Saying they told you to do it that way won't do a damn thing. The FFL isn't a law firm and it's your responsibility to know the law.
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#3
Maybe call their local ATF branch and clue them in on the shops apparent illegal practices?
When they come for my guns; It is not my right, at that point,
but my responsibility to respond in the name of liberty.
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Warpt762x39;75623 Wrote:What does the FFL care if you commit a felony? They'd have no connection to the deal if you did break the law. Saying they told you to do it that way won't do a damn thing. The FFL isn't a law firm and it's your responsibility to know the law.

I agree and that's why I posted this. People might expect these dealers to have some sort of clue and believe what they're saying. I've heard various "I've been in this business for 35 years" types spout all sorts of ridiculous nonsense to unsuspecting customers but it's usually some BS about what they should or shouldn't buy. This was the first time I met a guy who was so thoroughly clueless about federal law.
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thebearpack;75616 Wrote:[snip] I told him that I was pretty sure selling a hand gun FTF across state lines was a felony, but he guaranteed me that it was not. Strike two.
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Applies to long-guns too, except that the transfer could have been done at a PA FFL even for an OH buyer (at least according to Federal law).
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#6
Wish I had seen this before ever calling these jokers:

http://www.ar15.com/forums/t_8_12/501684...e__OH.html
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#7
I know this shop. they are the ones I talk about price gouging (tapco ak mags for $50 each etc). the shop was ok when it was a family business called hidden valley, but then they were bought out and ousted everyone, stocking the store with some class acts. one time, i saw a clerk draw his gun from his holster with a full grip to show it to a prospective customer. fyi, a decent place to go in that area is bell's on us 40 in blaine. it's 3 miles away and it's a small, friendly operation.
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