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Nevada ranch the next Waco/Ruby Ridge?
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Mr Bundy last nights town meeting 4/9/2014

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rkWljeiAhYI

Margaret Houston, Cliven Bundy's sister
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WOAzcm2hLCQ
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A couple of things I found interesting:

It's happened before with a different ranch/sheriff that stood up, the Feds lost
http://www.rangemagazine.com/specialrepo...cision.pdf

I can't confirm any of this but I could understand if it's true: (OIL)
Quote:(NaturalNews) The Bureau of Land Management says its 200-man armed siege of the Cliven Bundy ranch in Nevada is all about protecting an "endangered tortoise." But a Natural News investigation has found that BLM is actually in the business of raking in millions of dollars by leasing Nevada lands to energy companies that engage in fracking operations.
http://www.naturalnews.com/044670_BLM_li...ranch.html#
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(04-09-2014, 09:43 AM)Mr_Gixxer Wrote:
Quote:I have had people ask me to explain my dad's stance on this BLM fight.

Here it is in as simple of terms as I can explain it.

There is so much to it, but here it s in a nut shell. My great grandpa bought the rights to the Bunkerville allotment back in 1887 around there. Then he sold them to my grandpa who then turned them over to my dad in 1972.

These men bought and paid for their rights to the range and also built waters, fences and roads to assure the survival of their cattle, all with their own money, not with tax dollars.

These rights to the land use is called preemptive rights. Some where down the line, to keep the cows from over grazing, came the bureau of land management.

They were supposed to assist the ranchers in the management of their ranges while the ranchers paid a yearly allotment which was to be use to pay the BLM wages and to help with repairs and improvements of the ranches.

My dad did pay his grazing fees for years to the BLM until they were no longer using his fees to help him and to improve. Instead they began using these money's against the ranchers.

They bought all the rest of the ranchers in the area out with they're own grazing fees.

When they offered to buy my dad out for a penence he said no thanks and then fired them because they weren't doing their job.

He quit paying the BLM but, tried giving his grazing fees to the county, which they turned down. So my dad just went on running his ranch and making his own improvements with his own equipment and his own money, not taxes.

In essence the BLM was managing my dad out of business. Well when buying him out didn't work, they used the indangered species card.

You've already heard about the desert tortis. Well that didn't work either, so then began the threats and the court orders, which my dad has proven to be unlawful for all these years.

Now their desperate. It's come down to buying the brand inspector off and threatening the County Sheriff.

Everything their doing at this point is illegal and totally against the constitution of the United States of America.

Now you may be saying," how sad, but what does this have to do with me?" Well, I'll tell you.

They will get rid of Cliven Bundy, the last man standing on the Bunkerville allotment and then they will close all the roads so no one can ever go on it again.

Next, it's Utah's turn. Mark my words, Utah is next.

Then there's the issue of the cattle that are at this moment being stolen. See even if dad hasn't paid them, those cattle do belong to him.

Regardless where they are they are my fathers property. His herd has been part of that range for over a hundred years, long before the BLM even exsisted.

Now the Feds think they can just come in and remove them and sell them without a legal brand inspection or without my dad's signature on it.

They think they can take them over two boarders, which is illegal, ask any trucker.

Then they plan to take them to the Richfeild Aucion and sell them. All with our tax money.

They have paid off the contract cowboys and the auction owner as well as the Nevada brand inspector with our tax dollars.

See how slick they are?
-By Shiree Bundy Cox, Clive Bundy's daughter

What site is this from?
Lkttomasz, proud to be a member of pa2a.org since Apr 2013.
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Lkttomasz;140592 Wrote:What site is this from?

I actually found it quoted on awrm.org even though there was no citation.
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The Second Amendment does not GIVE us the right. It tells the gov they can not infringe our right.
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MrBi11;140587 Wrote:A couple of things I found interesting:

It's happened before with a different ranch/sheriff that stood up, the Feds lost
http://www.rangemagazine.com/specialrepo...cision.pdf

I can't confirm any of this but I could understand if it's true: (OIL)
Quote:(NaturalNews) The Bureau of Land Management says its 200-man armed siege of the Cliven Bundy ranch in Nevada is all about protecting an "endangered tortoise." But a Natural News investigation has found that BLM is actually in the business of raking in millions of dollars by leasing Nevada lands to energy companies that engage in fracking operations.
http://www.naturalnews.com/044670_BLM_li...ranch.html#

Famous similar case that lost. The Dann sisters. Native American Shoshone.
http://www1.umn.edu/humanrts/cases/75-02a.html

Quote:As to the traditional Western Shoshone territory more generally, the State submits that the Danns and other Western Shoshone lost any interest in the lands in question in 1872 as a result of encroachment by non-Native Americans, and that this determination was properly made through fair proceedings before the ICC, a quasi-judicial body established by the United States for the very purpose of determining Indian land claims issues.

Basically I see it saying this:
-You lost your land that we allowed you to have because we advanced upon your territory. We then set up the Indian Claims Commission where we stacked the deck by paying off your own brethren on the commission to vote against you.-
The Second Amendment does not GIVE us the right. It tells the gov they can not infringe our right.
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#38
Quote:Militias Are On Route to Help Cliven Bundy - Face Off With Feds

CBS reports that militias from Texas, Montana, Utah, New Hampshire, and Florida will be standing with Bundy against the Bureau of Land Management.

If you aren’t a combatant, this doesn’t mean that you can’t participate in this revolt against tyranny.

This is a call to action.

Here are the pertinent email addresses and phone numbers:
Bureau Of Land Management Phone Number: (202) 208-3801
Brian Sandoval Email Contact Form- http://gov.nv.gov/Contact/Governor/
Brian Sandoval – Carson City Phone # - (775) 684-5670
Brian Sandoval Las Vegas Phone # -(702) 486-2500
Senator Dean Heller Contact Form -
Phone #’s For Heller – Reno: 775-686-5770/ Las Vegas: 702-388-6605/ Washington: 202-224-6244
Sheriff Douglas Gillespi - (702) 828-3231 or (702) – 828 – 3111
Email: Sheriff@lvmpd.com
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Share information in support of these people who refuse to stand idly by while theft, violence, and tyranny occurs at the hands of the government.

If we all spread the word, there is no way that another Ruby Ridge or Waco can quietly occur. We can combat the disinformation spouted by the mainstream media by publishing REAL photos, REAL videos, and REAL accounts of what is happening.

We can keep the communication open and tell the world what the United States government is doing to its own people.


Share this and other stories through email, through social media, through links in the comments sections of mainstream news sites. Whatever you do, don’t wait for someone else to take action. Now is the time to speak up for liberty.

Make this story too viral for the mainstream to ignore. Do not allow these brave people staring down the barrel of a gun to do so without our support.

The Bureau of Land Management has picked up a snake by the tail, and it looks like that snake is going to bite.

Read more at http://freedomoutpost.com/2014/04/militi...EWQCQjs.99
It's the "BILL OF RIGHTS" not the bill of "needs"
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middlefinger;140612 Wrote:
Quote:Militias Are On Route to Help Cliven Bundy - Face Off With Feds

CBS reports that militias from Texas, Montana, Utah, New Hampshire, and Florida will be standing with Bundy against the Bureau of Land Management.

If you aren’t a combatant, this doesn’t mean that you can’t participate in this revolt against tyranny.

This is a call to action.

Here are the pertinent email addresses and phone numbers:
Bureau Of Land Management Phone Number: (202) 208-3801
Brian Sandoval Email Contact Form- http://gov.nv.gov/Contact/Governor/
Brian Sandoval – Carson City Phone # - (775) 684-5670
Brian Sandoval Las Vegas Phone # -(702) 486-2500
Senator Dean Heller Contact Form -
Phone #’s For Heller – Reno: 775-686-5770/ Las Vegas: 702-388-6605/ Washington: 202-224-6244
Sheriff Douglas Gillespi - (702) 828-3231 or (702) – 828 – 3111
Email: Sheriff@lvmpd.com
(source)

Share information in support of these people who refuse to stand idly by while theft, violence, and tyranny occurs at the hands of the government.

If we all spread the word, there is no way that another Ruby Ridge or Waco can quietly occur. We can combat the disinformation spouted by the mainstream media by publishing REAL photos, REAL videos, and REAL accounts of what is happening.

We can keep the communication open and tell the world what the United States government is doing to its own people.


Share this and other stories through email, through social media, through links in the comments sections of mainstream news sites. Whatever you do, don’t wait for someone else to take action. Now is the time to speak up for liberty.

Make this story too viral for the mainstream to ignore. Do not allow these brave people staring down the barrel of a gun to do so without our support.

The Bureau of Land Management has picked up a snake by the tail, and it looks like that snake is going to bite.

Read more at http://freedomoutpost.com/2014/04/militi...EWQCQjs.99

Why do I have a feeling one "little" mistake, and we could possibly be looking at more gun control. I'm a big supporter of people standing up for their beliefs, but I'm also a little worried about us possibly losing more freedoms. Undecided
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Philadelphia Patriot;140614 Wrote:Why do I have a feeling one "little" mistake, and we could possibly be looking at more gun control. I'm a big supporter of people standing up for their beliefs, but I'm also a little worried about us possibly losing more freedoms. Undecided

I have no doubt there will be agent provocateurs in the mix.

Oh, and it's only about a week away from April 19th....Ninja
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