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Never A Dull Minute Checking In A Firearm At Monroe County Courthouse
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So quick back story. The wife and my permits expired back in March (the 12th to be exact) and I had been talking to an attorney about attempting to challenge the extra documents Monroe County requires but after working through it it seems like a lot of money and not much return (another long story)

So any way we went down today to renew our licenses and here's how that went:

We walked in, I dumped my keys and stuff into one of the tubs and said "I need to check a firearm in" ...... man you would have thought a train wreck happened. Immediately the rent a cops (yes they are rent a cops now) stopped all traffic in all directions. Once they had everyone corralled they told me to step through the metal detector and one very short Spanish female cop asked for my license.

Problem was it was in my wallet in the damn tub so I walked back over, grabbed it and my Utah and was escorted over to place it in a locker. Just as he locks the door of the locker She starts saying 'This is expired' .. I walked over and said 'yes and under PA law it is still good up to 6 months after it expires' (the hell with that long speech I had prepared - too many people being held up for me)

She looks at the cop that had locked up the gun and with this twisted look on her face she say to him, again, "this is expired". The other cop says "Take it into the sheriff's office (the permits).

I waited to get a receipt for the gun and my phone and then the male cop says 'step into the sheriff's office' ... and since that was one of our stops anyway we walked in.

NOTE: Again they did NOT walk me back through the metal detector after I had checked in my gun, they (once again) just assumed I had nothing else - this is the 4th time this has happened to me there.

As we walk through the door here is this female cop along the the deputy eyeballing the two permits, her still with this WTF twisted face on. As we close the door the deputy tells her "So give him his gun back when he leaves" (we missed the rest of the conversation dammit) and he hands me back the two licenses.

We do all our renewal nonsense and after stopping at the prothonotary's office we came back and the female cop tells a new cop (wasn't there when we checked in) "He has a firearm to pick up" and she hustles away.

I said to the cop "Actually a firearm and a phone" to which he says "what kind of gun?" I say "1911" to which he replies NIIICE - okay now we have a cool one. He asks what brand and I say Kimber and again he says NIIICE. We made some small talk about how expensive they were and since he seemed very cool I broached the topic of what happened earlier.

I said, "BTW, you people do know that a PA Permit is good for 6 months after it expires right?" Yup he says. I then say "And you realize a Utah permit is recognized by PA" to which he also replies 'Yup' ... so I look him in the eye and say "Well you might want to explain that to the other officer out there" He kind of smiled and said "Eh, they just take people into the sheriff's office for verification".

Thinking about it later I wished I had also mentioned OC and that you don't need a license but again I was tying up other people from getting their stuff.

He walked me out to the lockers (After they set up the 'roadblocks' again) and when he opened it and saw the Kimber his face lit up and he said 'Very Nice' ... I swear had it not been then and there he and I would probably still be shooting the bull about guns.

On the way home I told the wife "Now what would have that woman done had I said "Sorry forgot to bring it" ... more than likely she had no clue about any of the laws, especially the fact you don't need a license to OC (which we always do) and that might just have completely wigged her out.

So when we get the cards saying our licenses are ready and we go back we have decided the wife will also be carrying (why she wasn't today I don't know) when they ask her she will hand them her Utah (only) and when they ask me I will say "Sorry, forgot it at home" ... should be interesting. Wink
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#2
Damn, that's nuts.
When all around you is falling apart, grab another beer and smile.
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#3
Reminds me of every time I go to a courthouse. 100% of time they fail to send me through the metal detector after checking my gun.
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#4
Courthouses and court 'facilities' are definitely interesting checking firearms in. My brief experiences:

1) Lehigh County courthouse: Hassled briefly by one officer, otherwise uneventful

2) Lehigh County court 'facility': 1st time, no receipt until I requested it several times; no problems afterwards

3) Harrisburg Capitol building: given a receipt, but the officer didn't keep his copy ... showed up later & a new officer was running a PICS query to figure out who owned the extra gun he had no record for getting checked in (no record found in PICS either!) ... got it back without hassle thanks to my receipt

4) Northampton courthouse: given a more thorough wanding than ever before & given a verbal berating by a deputy before meeting with his boss (not that guy's smartest idea)

5) Harrisburg court 'facility' (mayor's office building): got told to leave it in my car, then got it checked in after a request to talk to a supervisor convinced the guard to do his job

I've got a long list of others, but I've always found that being 'polite but firm' works rather well at getting minor hassles resolved quickly for me during the check-in process.

I share the experience with everyone else that more often than not I am not asked to return through the security screening bypassed when checking a gun in.
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#5
Went a lot smoother picking up our ltcf's. We both carried this time. Guy at the detector gave me a funny look when I handed him my Utah, but no big scene this time. The one that knows his shit was the one that checked us in. No panic of telling everyone to "Stand Back", just a causal "wait here" to the other people. Dave puts his in a locker and the cop looks at me and asks, "You too?". I said yes and he gets the key for my locker. Checks it in, got our receipt (both on same receipt) and we go to the Sheriff's office. Clerk finds our stuff, takes our money, prints them out and laminated them. 2 weeks for renewals, not horrible but could be better. Check out went just as smoothly.

Someone in the chain of events changed my hair color to BLN (Blonde). I'm not a blonde, I'm an auburn. Was on my last license and it was what I filled out. Someone didn't like the bright, washed out photo and assumed I didn't know the color of my own hair. But, whatever, we got the new ones in 2 weeks instead of 45 days like we expected. I'll just have to explain (if ever asked) that someone in the sheriff's office doesn't like redheads.
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Tootie;120388 Wrote:Someone in the chain of events changed my hair color to BLN (Blonde). I'm not a blonde, I'm an auburn. Was on my last license and it was what I filled out. Someone didn't like the bright, washed out photo and assumed I didn't know the color of my own hair. But, whatever, we got the new ones in 2 weeks instead of 45 days like we expected. I'll just have to explain (if ever asked) that someone in the sheriff's office doesn't like redheads.

The DL card that I had before this last one I was 0'0" tall, 0lbs and had no eye or hair color. After it printed, I pointed it out to the drone working there only to have him tell me it's too late, I should have told him before it printed.
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#7
Checking my here in Lackawanna County, either at the main courthouse, the family court building across the street, or at the Domestics building in Mayfield, is always a game of Asshole Roulette. At best, I get a funny look, and get ushered quickly to the lockers. At worst, I get a redheaded asshole or a short blonde bitch who flips out, tells me that I'm committing a crime, and makes me whip out the actual statute on my phone, which they dismiss as being incorrect, at which point another deputy will come along and say it's fine, but next time can I please leave it home.

Or, as has happened in Mayfield, they simply refuse to check it, since there are no actual courtrooms (just arbitrators, caseworkers, and masters, no judges), but, curiously, have a sheriff's deputy stationed at the entrancemetaldetector.

The only other county courthouse I've had to check a firearm at was the Dimmick building in Wayne County. The deputy on duty gave me shit, until I threatened to go across the street and speak to his boss. He relented. Upon leaving, he was my longtime buddy. I spoke to his boss, anyway.
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#8
What's the purpose of this thread except to bash ASSHOLE cops working courthouses?

What's the purpose of this thread except to bash ASSHOLE cops working courthouses?

What's the purpose of this thread except to bash ASSHOLE cops working courthouses?

What's the purpose of this thread except to bash ASSHOLE cops working courthouses?

What's the purpose of this thread except to bash ASSHOLE cops working courthouses?
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ExcelToExcel;120432 Wrote:What's the purpose of this thread except to bash ASSHOLE cops working courthouses?

What's the purpose of this thread except to bash ASSHOLE cops working courthouses?

What's the purpose of this thread except to bash ASSHOLE cops working courthouses?

What's the purpose of this thread except to bash ASSHOLE cops working courthouses?

What's the purpose of this thread except to bash ASSHOLE cops working courthouses?


Absolutely nothing in my post was bashing anyone. I said it was a good experience. That they didn't over react. If that's bashing, sorry I won't do it again. Rolleyes
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streaker69;120400 Wrote:
Tootie;120388 Wrote:Someone in the chain of events changed my hair color to BLN (Blonde). I'm not a blonde, I'm an auburn. Was on my last license and it was what I filled out. Someone didn't like the bright, washed out photo and assumed I didn't know the color of my own hair. But, whatever, we got the new ones in 2 weeks instead of 45 days like we expected. I'll just have to explain (if ever asked) that someone in the sheriff's office doesn't like redheads.

The DL card that I had before this last one I was 0'0" tall, 0lbs and had no eye or hair color. After it printed, I pointed it out to the drone working there only to have him tell me it's too late, I should have told him before it printed.

What do you expect... it doesn't get any more "plain people" than that description. And if your dolls can't have eyes why should your drivers license? Wink
steelcityk9cop, proud to be a member of pa2a.org since Sep 2012.
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