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New study on Vaping
An FYI update.

bac0nfat;129363 Wrote:Sober, it's made completely out of food products plus flavoring and nicotine. 99% of what you're vaping is propylene (sp?) glycol and vegetable glycerine. There's no mysterious chemical added. Of course you're gonna find articles saying its bad, but the truth is there is no evidence that it does any harm. I can tell you for a fact my lungs feel way better and I feel healthier. To make the argument that its worse than cigarettes is proposturous.

I will add that it's pretty stupid to buy juice (yeah that's what they call it) from china that could have who knows what in it, when there are tons of US manufacturers who only use quality, natural ingredients.

Quote:E-cigarette vapor can contain cancer-causing formaldehyde at levels up to 15 times higher than regular cigarettes, a new study finds.

By DENNIS THOMPSON January 21, 2015, 6:01 PM

Researchers found that e-cigarettes operated at high voltages produce vapor with large amounts of formaldehyde-containing chemical compounds.

This could pose a risk to users who increase the voltage on their e-cigarette to increase the delivery of vaporized nicotine, said study co-author James Pankow, a professor of chemistry and civil and environmental engineering at Portland State University in Oregon.

"We've found there is a hidden form of formaldehyde in e-cigarette vapor that has not typically been measured. It's a chemical that contains formaldehyde in it, and that formaldehyde can be released after inhalation," Pankow said. "People shouldn't assume these e-cigarettes are completely safe."

The findings appear in a letter published Jan. 22 in the New England Journal of Medicine.

Health experts have long known that formaldehyde and other toxic chemicals are present in cigarette smoke. Initially, e-cigarettes were hoped to be without such dangers because they lack fire to cause combustion and release toxic chemicals, a Portland State news release said.

But newer versions of e-cigarettes can operate at very high temperatures, and that heat dramatically amps up the creation of formaldehyde-containing compounds, the study found.

"The new adjustable 'tank system' e-cigarettes allow users to really turn up the heat and deliver high amounts of vapor, or e-cigarette smoke," lead researcher David Peyton, a Portland State chemistry professor, said in the news release. Users open up the devices, put their own fluid in and adjust the operating temperature as they like, allowing them to greatly alter the vapor generated by the e-cigarette.

When used at low voltage, e-cigarettes did not create any formaldehyde-releasing agents, the researchers found.

However, high-voltage use released enough formaldehyde-containing compounds to increase a person's lifetime risk of cancer five to 15 times higher than the risk caused by long-term smoking, the study said.

Formaldehyde is a known human carcinogen, according to the U.S. National Cancer Institute. It is a colorless, strong-smelling gas, commonly used in glues for products such as particle board, and in mortuaries as an embalming fluid.

The American Vaping Association, an industry group advocating for e-cigarette makers, argued that the new study was flawed because e-cigarette users wouldn't operate their devices at such high voltage.

"When the vapor device was used at the realistic setting of 3.7 volts, levels of formaldehyde were similar to the trace levels that are released from an FDA-approved [smoking-cessation] inhaler," association President Gregory Conley said. "However, when the researchers increased the voltage to 5 volts and continued to have their machine take three- to four-second puffs, this caused extreme overheating and the production of formaldehyde."

This is known "in vapor product science as the 'dry puff phenomenon,' " Conley said. "Contrary to the authors' mistaken belief, these are not settings that real-life vapers actually use, as dry puffs are harsh and unpleasant. In the real world, vapers avoid dry puffs by lowering the length of their puff as they increase voltage."

Noting that e-cigarettes remain unregulated, a representative with the American Cancer Society said these findings highlight the need for the U.S. Food and Drug Administration oversight.

"This study shows how little we know about toxic exposures that can result from using any one of the many different available types of e-cigarettes at different heating levels," said Eric Jacobs, the cancer society's strategic director of pharmacoepidemiology.

Smokers are jokers!

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I don't care if E-cigs cause an even higher rate of cancer than regular cigarettes, that's your problem not mine. As long as I'm no longer subject to the headaches and horrendous smell being locked in a confined space with a smoker I'm happy as a clam. I'd be happy as shit if everyone converted to E-cigs (my mom smoked like a train when I was a kid, I fucking hated riding in the car with her). I hate it so much that any girlfriend who I found out smoked was a major deal breaker. I don't smoke, so I don't have a dog in the e-cig fight per se, but I think that all of these studies about e-cigs are created with a fundamental bias because of how similar it is to old fashioned smoking and because of how the medical establishment views them as a result.

I'm sure when they set out to do a study on E-cigs they probably search out the most fly-by-night Chinese suppliers of the nicotine fluid who maybe use it as a vector to get rid of industrial waste and use those products in the studies specifically in order to make them look as horrible as possible. I also wouldn't be surprised it if the cigarette companies are in part behind this as well in the same manner as Pfizer treats aftermarket pharmaceuticals even though the vast majority of foreign generics are perfectly safe and often get the raw materials from the same suppliers. None of these companies have an interest in harming people in the short term if they hope to stay in business.

I'd take the validity of these studies with a grain of salt and like I said I don't even smoke. It's just pretty obvious to me that there are a LOT of interests out there with an axe to grind when it comes to vaping.
The forum poster formerly known as Emoticon...
A person is sucking in chemicals to replace the chemicals they got from cigarettes. I'm not surprised that the replacement maybe just as bad as the original. With that being said, we all kill ourselves in some sorm or another as far as what we put ing our bodies or do with them. I can't really condemn them for their bad habits when I have my own.
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Emoticon;160768 Wrote:~snip~(my mom smoked like a train when I was a kid, I fucking hated riding in the car with her)~snip~

A little late for you but you'll like this bill ...

Quote:HOUSE BILL No.109
Session of 2015

Amending Title 75 (Vehicles) of the Pennsylvania Consolidated
Statutes, in miscellaneous provisions, providing for second-
hand smoke protection for children; and imposing a penalty.
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All I know is they helped me quit smoking, and for the 6 months or so that I vaped, I felt much healthier than when I was smoking. I don't think vaping should be used as a long-term replacement for smoking, but rather a segue from smoking to smoke-free.
I still don't understand how anyone can say that word with a straight face.

Unless you aren't straight - then it would make sense 'cuz it sounds gay.

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