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No buying/shooting/carrying firearms by Philly Police Cadets
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I have a lot of friends who are Philly cops so I have heard about this before, but I asked my friend who is in the academy now and he sayed the same thing. Apparently cadets in the Philly Police Academy have to turn over their licenses to carry and cannot buy, carry, or even shoot firearms while in the academy unless it is during a Philadelphia Police Academy sanctioned event (e.g. firearms training at the academy). Is that even legal?

I asked my other buddy who is a trooper and he said they never told them they couldn't carry firearms when they were away on leave (Assuming they have a ltcf) and they could buy whatever the hell they wanted to while they were on leave too when he was a cadet at the PSP academy.
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Philadelphia Patriot;120775 Wrote:I have a lot of friends who are Philly cops so I have heard about this before, but I asked my friend who is in the academy now and he sayed the same thing. Apparently cadets in the Philly Police Academy have to turn over their licenses to carry and cannot buy, carry, or even shoot firearms while in the academy unless it is during a Philadelphia Police Academy sanctioned event (e.g. firearms training at the academy). Is that even legal?

I asked my other buddy who is a trooper and he said they never told them they couldn't carry firearms when they were away on leave (Assuming they have a ltcf) and they could buy whatever the hell they wanted to while they were on leave too when he was a cadet at the PSP academy.

When you "take the blue" (I coined that...for all you Game of Thrones fans) you end up giving up a lot of your rights to departmental rules and regulations.

I have a whole bunch of guns I can not carry until I retire... I can't wear a shoulder holster or use an open top holster until I retire... I can't speak at rallies.. run for political office... start a home based business without approval... the list goes on and on. Just how it is.

PSP now has just as many prohibitions according to my pals.
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steelcityk9cop;120787 Wrote:
Philadelphia Patriot;120775 Wrote:I have a lot of friends who are Philly cops so I have heard about this before, but I asked my friend who is in the academy now and he sayed the same thing. Apparently cadets in the Philly Police Academy have to turn over their licenses to carry and cannot buy, carry, or even shoot firearms while in the academy unless it is during a Philadelphia Police Academy sanctioned event (e.g. firearms training at the academy). Is that even legal?

I asked my other buddy who is a trooper and he said they never told them they couldn't carry firearms when they were away on leave (Assuming they have a ltcf) and they could buy whatever the hell they wanted to while they were on leave too when he was a cadet at the PSP academy.

When you "take the blue" (I coined that...for all you Game of Thrones fans) you end up giving up a lot of your rights to departmental rules and regulations.

I have a whole bunch of guns I can not carry until I retire... I can't wear a shoulder holster or use an open top holster until I retire... I can't speak at rallies.. run for political office... start a home based business without approval... the list goes on and on. Just how it is.

PSP now has just as many prohibitions according to my pals.

We could buy what we wanted. I seem to recall we we're prohibited from carrying while cadets. Obvious liability situation for the department. Half trained police officer takes action... The prohibition on buying may be the "flag" on a criminal history. All PSP members that are run for a criminal history trigger a flag within the department.

I do like that "taking the blue" didn't prohibit fornication. That would have been a deal breaker.
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steelcityk9cop;120787 Wrote:
Philadelphia Patriot;120775 Wrote:I have a lot of friends who are Philly cops so I have heard about this before, but I asked my friend who is in the academy now and he sayed the same thing. Apparently cadets in the Philly Police Academy have to turn over their licenses to carry and cannot buy, carry, or even shoot firearms while in the academy unless it is during a Philadelphia Police Academy sanctioned event (e.g. firearms training at the academy). Is that even legal?

I asked my other buddy who is a trooper and he said they never told them they couldn't carry firearms when they were away on leave (Assuming they have a ltcf) and they could buy whatever the hell they wanted to while they were on leave too when he was a cadet at the PSP academy.

When you "take the blue" (I coined that...for all you Game of Thrones fans) you end up giving up a lot of your rights to departmental rules and regulations.

I have a whole bunch of guns I can not carry until I retire... I can't wear a shoulder holster or use an open top holster until I retire... I can't speak at rallies.. run for political office... start a home based business without approval... the list goes on and on. Just how it is.

PSP now has just as many prohibitions according to my pals.


Can't run for political office? So you can't run to be a sheriff or police commissioner? Sounds like a conflict of interests to me.
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Emoticon;120795 Wrote:Can't run for political office? So you can't run to be a sheriff or police commissioner? Sounds like a conflict of interests to me.

Police commissioners get appointed by the mayor or local council. As for running for sheriff, I guess you have to retire from being a deputy or police officer first? Shrug
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steelcityk9cop;120787 Wrote:I can't wear a shoulder holster or use an open top holster until I retire...

So we won't be seeing you rescue a sky scraper full of hostages from terrorists, or an airport full of people until you retire?
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That's kind of awkward that cadets can't carry in their personal life while cadets...but I guess I see the liabilty thing. A better solution would be to have them sign off on the responsibility and still allow them to have 2A rights.

As a side note...those of you who are cops...did any of you go to the cadet program for teenagers? My son is looking into doing it next year (ag 14) and I'm wondering if it is as good as the website makes it look. It looks fairly militaristic and I like that...
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RugerGirl;120805 Wrote:That's kind of awkward that cadets can't carry in their personal life while cadets...but I guess I see the liabilty thing. A better solution would be to have them sign off on the responsibility and still allow them to have 2A rights.

As a side note...those of you who are cops...did any of you go to the cadet program for teenagers? My son is looking into doing it next year (ag 14) and I'm wondering if it is as good as the website makes it look. It looks fairly militaristic and I like that...

You mean Camp Cadet? If so, it's a really great program. It is essentially a mini-academy and it gives kids a taste of that. It also teaches team-work and removes some of that "all about me" that a lot of kids seem to have now.
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unclejumbo;120806 Wrote:
RugerGirl;120805 Wrote:That's kind of awkward that cadets can't carry in their personal life while cadets...but I guess I see the liabilty thing. A better solution would be to have them sign off on the responsibility and still allow them to have 2A rights.

As a side note...those of you who are cops...did any of you go to the cadet program for teenagers? My son is looking into doing it next year (ag 14) and I'm wondering if it is as good as the website makes it look. It looks fairly militaristic and I like that...

You mean Camp Cadet? If so, it's a really great program. It is essentially a mini-academy and it gives kids a taste of that. It also teaches team-work and removes some of that "all about me" that a lot of kids seem to have now.

No, I think it's the Explorer Cadets that runs Saturdays starting age 14 and can go all the way up through high school....
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RugerGirl;120810 Wrote:
unclejumbo;120806 Wrote:You mean Camp Cadet? If so, it's a really great program. It is essentially a mini-academy and it gives kids a taste of that. It also teaches team-work and removes some of that "all about me" that a lot of kids seem to have now.

No, I think it's the Explorer Cadets that runs Saturdays starting age 14 and can go all the way up through high school....

I know a lot of the Explorer programs are great gateway into law enforcement. Being around the department and the officers for several years will usually give the person a leg-up. It's an excellent way for a department to get a long term read on a potential hire.
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