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Non-NFA 650rpm trigger for AR15 (Tac-Con 3MR)
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http://tacfirecon.com/

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eQtCTUq4Y_I

On one hand I think this is awesome, but I'm kinda pissed because I thought of this idea a few years ago and never pursued it. Basically it uses the movement of the bolt carrier to force the trigger to reset, so all you need to do is put constant pressure on the trigger and it will fire rapidly. It's still only firing one round per pull, so it's non-NFA.

Also it's pretty cool because they managed to make it select-fire, so you still have your regular semi-auto function, but can flip the switch to the "full-auto" position to get the rapid fire function.
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bac0nfat;125539 Wrote:Basically it uses the movement of the bolt carrier to force the trigger to reset

I wonder if there is any abnormal or additional wear caused by this? Sounds pretty awesome.
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#3
I don't think it'll keep its non-NFA status for long.

And I suspect that non-NFA owners operating these would get a good deal of unwanted, and perhaps expensive, attention.
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#4
Awful pricey
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gascolator;125546 Wrote:I don't think it'll keep its non-NFA status for long.

And I suspect that non-NFA owners operating these would get a good deal of unwanted, and perhaps expensive, attention.

Yeah, this is almost TOO easy... and you're right, who wouldn't think this an actual select-fire weapon? It's cool, but the reactions at the range would obviously not be in favor of the innovation of this product.It would take forever to prove that you're not in violation.
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#6
Pretty gray area here. I can see the BATFE nipping this in the bud.

pinhead1979;125555 Wrote:
gascolator;125546 Wrote:I don't think it'll keep its non-NFA status for long.

And I suspect that non-NFA owners operating these would get a good deal of unwanted, and perhaps expensive, attention.

Yeah, this is almost TOO easy... and you're right, who wouldn't think this an actual select-fire weapon? It's cool, but the reactions at the range would obviously not be in favor of the innovation of this product.It would take forever to prove that you're not in violation.

I would think the company selling this would have a BATFE letter of compliance to go with it if they are going to sell it to Joe Public.
I keep a compliance letter with my 1919a4, just in case.
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#7
On what basis is this a Title II item? You still get only one shot for each function of the trigger. Not unlike the slide fire stocks.
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rwbow1969;125556 Wrote:Pretty gray area here. I can see the BATFE nipping this in the bud.

pinhead1979;125555 Wrote:Yeah, this is almost TOO easy... and you're right, who wouldn't think this an actual select-fire weapon? It's cool, but the reactions at the range would obviously not be in favor of the innovation of this product.It would take forever to prove that you're not in violation.

I would think the company selling this would have a BATFE letter of compliance to go with it if they are going to sell it to Joe Public.
I keep a compliance letter with my 1919a4, just in case.

There's not much substance to the web site. Certainly nothing to indicate that its being non-NFA is anything more than the manufacturer's opinion.

As far as I can tell, it all hinges on the definition of "one pull." Clearly if it stays back, it's the same pull. If it comes forward and then goes back without having to be released to reset and goes back and fires without releasing pressure, is that a "second pull?"

Personally I wouldn't want to be the one to have to make that case in order to stay out of jail.

On a tangential subject, I don't think that it's really in our interest to have such stuff fly "under the wire," as, let's face it, it looks and acts "full auto." Do we really need to fight that political fall-out just now?
gascolator, proud to be a member of pa2a.org since Nov 2012.
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gascolator;125560 Wrote:
rwbow1969;125556 Wrote:Pretty gray area here. I can see the BATFE nipping this in the bud.


I would think the company selling this would have a BATFE letter of compliance to go with it if they are going to sell it to Joe Public.
I keep a compliance letter with my 1919a4, just in case.

There's not much substance to the web site. Certainly nothing to indicate that its being non-NFA is anything more than the manufacturer's opinion.

As far as I can tell, it all hinges on the definition of "one pull." Clearly if it stays back, it's the same pull. If it comes forward and then goes back without having to be released to reset and goes back and fires without releasing pressure, is that a "second pull?"

Personally I wouldn't want to be the one to have to make that case in order to stay out of jail.

On a tangential subject, I don't think that it's really in our interest to have such stuff fly "under the wire," as, let's face it, it looks and acts "full auto." Do we really need to fight that political fall-out just now?

Well it doesn't actually use the term "pull" in the definition of machine gun, but rather "function." You must get no more than one shot "per function of the trigger."

I really wouldn't be surprised if the ATF lets this go, based on how they've handled the slide fire stocks. This works on essentially the same exact type of body movement, only it's your trigger finger moving instead of your whole arm.

ETA: The trigger does NOT stay in the rear position when firing.
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#10
Near future laws will be directed, not at the firearm, but at the "possible amount of rounds it can fire in a set time."

Example: "People don't need ARs."
"People don't need ARs that can shoot 600 rounds a minute."
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