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"Not a hate crime"
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They have got to freakin' be kidding me.....seriously? "Not a hate crime"? A gang of Ferguson-area AA's beating to death a white Bosnian immigrant? Gimme a break.....

This is reminiscient, to me, of the crimes against black people earlier in our century. Which means our society is regressing quickly. Just because black people are doing it now instead of white people doesn't make it any better or any more civilized. Black Panther attitude is no different from KKK attitude, nor should it be any more accepted.

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2014/12/02/pro...in-shadow/

Quote:The horrific attack occurred in southwest St. Louis, just 20 miles from Ferguson, where a police shooting of a black man and a grand jury's subsequent decision not to indict the officer sparked violent riots. Police have said the murder of Begic, 32, does not appear to be racially motivated, and have arrested three teens and were looking for one or possibly two more. The married immigrant was driving his car when the teens approached at a traffic light and began striking it with hammers, prompting him to get out and confront them, according to police.

The attack has left St. Louis's 70,000-member Bosnian community reeling and calling for more police protection.

“We come from Bosnia because we were getting killed and our homes and families were getting destroyed,” Denisa Begic, his 23-year-old sister, told the St. Louis Post-Dispatch. “Never in my life did I think he would get murdered.”

On Monday evening, Robert Mitchell, 17, was charged as an adult with first-degree murder and armed criminal action in the death, KMOV-TV reported. Mitchell turned himself in late Sunday after 15- and 16-year-old suspects were taken into custody. Despite the proximity to the racially-charged Ferguson incident, which has generated national headlines, police insist there is no parallel.

"Investigators don't believe the incident is in any way related to Ferguson," St. Louis Police spokeswoman Schron Jackson told FoxNews.com. "The incident is not being investigated as a hate crime."


Can you imagine if a gang of white punks did this to a nice black gentleman in his car???? Oh my gosh..... I don't even want to think about what would happen.... but I do know there would be no question on whether or not it was a hate crime.
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#2
"Hate crime" laws were only made to protect select minority groups (non-whites, gays). Those laws don't apply to the surplus of white folks.

Hate crime laws = thought crime laws. If you're going to murder someone you obviously hate them in one way or another. Murder is murder, regardless of the reasoning. If they started prosecuting people for their actions instead of their intent a lot more shit would get taken care of properly. If a guy beat a gay guy with a hammer he's a gay-basher that will be all over the news. If he beats a black guy with a hammer he's a racist that will have a massive public trial. If he beats a white guy with a hammer he's a hammer wielding psycho that no one will remember.

Simple rules for murderers (regardless of motive):
1) Charge them with murder.
2) Convict them in court with proper evidence.
3) Shoot them.
4) Rinse & repeat.
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#3
I agree...."hate crime" is unnecessary labelling and fuels race wars.

Murder is murder and is done out of hate. Period. And the punishment should be swift and harsh, no matter who did it.



However if we are going to insist on using "hate crime" then it should be used for any interracial or inter-group crime, to be fair. We have to make sure all the groups are sufficiently angry at one another, you know.
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#4
Some fun facts:

Number of people who identify as black in America: 40,000,000
Number of people who identify as white in America: 225,000,000

Now...

Number of claimed "hate crimes" avg per year black 14,500/ white 3100

The problem with the numbers? Law enforcement admits that nearly EVERY crime against a black by a non black be initially claimed as a hate crime, while nearly every hate crime committed against a white by a non white is reduced to "just crime".

According to our black Attorney General of the United States, it is not possible to commit a hate crime against whites.
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#5
The article made the top headline on Fox News. Good. I hope it makes other top headlines and forces some necessary dialogue.

The only thing this story has going for it is that it is an immigrant community rather than a "white middle class American" community. That could help the story get a little traction.

The cop shooting in Utah gained no traction at all, but maybe this immigrant story will.
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http://topconservativenews.com/2014/11/b...-st-louis/ (Whoever wrote this can't spell...but it is what it is.)

Quote:Update: A witness filmed Begic being taken away by paramedics. The witness saw the perps were yelling “f%^k white people” and “kill the white people” right before the attack. The cheif of police would have known about this when he lied to the public and claimed the attacks were not racially motivated.

Update: A third suspect has been arrested. The suspects are black males aged 15, 16, and 17.

Update: There were three white victims total. A second person with Begic escaped unharmed. A third white victim was attacked with hammers, but fought the attackers off. He only had cuts on his neck and arms.

A white male was attacked in his car around 1:15 AM Sunday morning in the south side of St. Louis by black teenagers. They began damaging his car. When he got out of his car they smashed his face in with a hammer and killed him. Police nabbed two black teens aged 15 and 16. Two more suspects are being sought. Police say one of the remaining suspects may be Latino.

The victim was hit in the face multiple times and also the abdomen. Police say two different hammers were used. He died of his wounds in the hospital.

The victims is Zemir Begic, 32. a Bosnian who had just moved to the city. St. Louis has one of the largest Bosnian communities in the US. (The media originally reported he was visiting from Miami. It appears he recently moved to the Bevo Mills neighborhood from Iowa.)

Begic appears to have been attacked solely because he is white. Young blacks in Ferguson are being encouraged to commit racial violence by national organizations, including the Nation of Islam.

The media is treating this as “hush crime.” If the races had been reversed, it would be the single biggest news story in the USA right now. Instead, the media is not even reporting the race of the violent, at-large suspects. Political correctness take precedent over public safety in the media.


One thing that should be pointed out. In Minneapolis, Mike Brown supporters climbed onto an occupied SUV on a busy road. They started smashing windows and beating on the car. The driver took off to get away. The “mainstream” media then claim the driver “hit protesters with his car on purpose.” Well, this is what happened when someone didn’t hit the gas and speed off!


Again, we seem to be regressing back to segregation and hate...only instead of the KKK beating up blacks, it's the blacks beating up whites.
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#7
....I wonder if, had he had a gun, and shot the thugs...if the tables would have turned on him...

I really need to buy another .380....regretting selling my LCP now.... going to save up and get one asap since I don't carry my 9mm as much.
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#8
Based on the information I've seen, you have just as much reason to label the killing of the Bosnian man a hate crime as the people in Ferguson have to label the Brown killing a hate crime.

All you have is the color of the deceased person's skin, and the color of the person that killed him. There is no other evidence I can see that says either was a hate crime.
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Shadowline;157744 Wrote:Based on the information I've seen, you have just as much reason to label the killing of the Bosnian man a hate crime as the people in Ferguson have to label the Brown killing a hate crime.

All you have is the color of the deceased person's skin, and the color of the person that killed him. There is no other evidence I can see that says either was a hate crime.

Wait....nuh-uh...Brown was killed in self defense.
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#10
The statute
Quote:(1) Offenses involving actual or perceived race, color, religion, or national origin.— Whoever, whether or not acting under color of law, willfully causes bodily injury to any person or, through the use of fire, a firearm, a dangerous weapon, or an explosive or incendiary device, attempts to cause bodily injury to any person, because of the actual or perceived race, color, religion, or national origin of any person
http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/18/249

Even though wikipedia claims that this only applies when the victim is part of a protected class. This is obviously not the case despite whatever prosecutorial discretion Mr Holder uses.

The Brown shooting is definitely not a hate crime since the grand jury found that no crime was committed in the first place and the federal investigation uses the exact same evidence.

The St Louis hammer killing would seem to be a hate crime if you use the test that it would 100% be a hate crime if four white guys killed a black or a gay man for seemingly no reason at all.
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