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Not issued receipt for checked firearm in Lancaster County Courthouse
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Today I dropped by the Lancaster County Courthouse to drop off the CLEO copy of my C&R application to the LanCo Sheriff and also to advise them of my updated address for my LTCF.

So, I walk in the door and up to the metal detector...
Me: "I have to check a firearm."
Sheriff #1: "Yup," said as if he was answering a question I didn't ask.
Sheriff #2:"You got a license for that?"
Sheriff #1 mumbles something about not needing it
Me to S#2: "I do, but I'm openly carrying."

Sheriff #1 waves me back beyond the metal detector and leads me down the hall across from the Sheriffs office to a wall of lockers. I lock up my firearm and my knife and attempt to put the key into my pocket.

Sheriff #1: "No, we keep the keys," as he reaches his hand out for key.
I make a mental note of the key number, 54, and hand it to him.
He starts to walk back towards the metal detector area and I follow.
Me: "Oh, ok, then in that case I need a receipt."
Sheriff #1: ""We don't give receipts, just come back to use when you're finished."

I didn't really want to argue with him as all I wanted to do was drop some paperwork off and be on my way so I went back to the front of the metal detector area, emptied my pockets and went through.

I walked into the Sheriffs office and dropped off my paperwork. I also explained that I had a new address that I wanted to be updated on my LTCF record and referenced the address on my FFL app. The guy at the counter looked very confused by the application I had just given him, started saying something about going to make a copy when I informed him that he was holding the Sheriff's copy. I guess it sunk in because he said he'd make note of the address change after looking over the application.

Back to the metal detector station to retrieve my firearm, no more than five minutes had passed.

Me to Sheriff #1 from ealier: "I'm all set."
Sheriff #3 (who wasn't there earlier) with an attitude: "Yea, ok?"
Me, again, addressing the Sheriff who escorted me to the lockers: "I'm ready to retrieve my firearm."
Sheriff #3: "I don't think so, buddy," as Sheriff #1 interrupts him by grabbing a key.
Sheriff #1 starts walking towards me, key in hand: "Wait, you were just here, right?"
Me: "Yup."
Sheriff #1 turns around and puts the key down. He grabs a different key and starts walking back towards the lockers. I follow and he hands me the key. Key #54. I wonder who's key he was about to give me?

He stands by as I empty the locker and replace my holster on my belt and I thank him for his time as I leave.

Now, the reason I started this topic is due to my understanding, and backed up by actually checking, you are supposed to be issued a receipt. I've been to places where you just get to keep the key but I understand why they do not do that at this location due to the lockers being accessible in the secure area. In that case I'd expect a receipt rather than relying on the Sheriff's memory of what key belongs to who, as evidenced by them almost giving me the wrong key.

Should I contact to get them to fix their procedure? Will it actually make a difference?

Here is the law as it is written in § 913. Possession of firearm or other dangerous weapon in court facility.

"(e) Facilities for checking firearms or other dangerous weapons.--Each county shall make available at or within the building containing the court facility by July 1, 2002, lockers or similar facilities at no charge or cost for the temporary checking of firearms by persons carrying firearms under section 6106(b) or 6109 or for the checking of other dangerous weapons that are not otherwise prohibited by law. Any individual checking a firearm, dangerous weapon or an item deemed to be a dangerous weapon at a court facility must be issued a receipt. Notice of the location of the facility shall be posted as required under subsection (d)."
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#2
The last two times I've checked there, they'd issue you a little claim check, basically just a little tag that has the locker number on it.

The last time I was there, the lockers were past the security checkpoint and in the foyer of another office, so I can understand them keeping the keys since you could effectively go back an retrieve your firearm without them noticing.

Have they completed construction on the main entrance yet and moved the lockers somewhere else again?
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streaker69;66977 Wrote:The last two times I've checked there, they'd issue you a little claim check, basically just a little tag that has the locker number on it.

The last time I was there, the lockers were past the security checkpoint and in the foyer of another office, so I can understand them keeping the keys since you could effectively go back an retrieve your firearm without them noticing.

Have they completed construction on the main entrance yet and moved the lockers somewhere else again?

Construction was cleared. You know the office where you do your LTCF apps? Right across the hall is where the lockers were. From the main entrance on Duke St it is just to the right of the security checkpoint, just a bit down the hall.
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I think if Sheriff #1 wasn't there, you'd be fooked.
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Xavier;66982 Wrote:
streaker69;66977 Wrote:The last two times I've checked there, they'd issue you a little claim check, basically just a little tag that has the locker number on it.

The last time I was there, the lockers were past the security checkpoint and in the foyer of another office, so I can understand them keeping the keys since you could effectively go back an retrieve your firearm without them noticing.

Have they completed construction on the main entrance yet and moved the lockers somewhere else again?

Construction was cleared. You know the office where you do your LTCF apps? Right across the hall is where the lockers were. From the main entrance on Duke St it is just to the right of the security checkpoint, just a bit down the hall.

But it's past the actual checkpoint right? You'd have to go through the metal detectors to get to the lockers?
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streaker69;66986 Wrote:
Xavier;66982 Wrote:Construction was cleared. You know the office where you do your LTCF apps? Right across the hall is where the lockers were. From the main entrance on Duke St it is just to the right of the security checkpoint, just a bit down the hall.

But it's past the actual checkpoint right? You'd have to go through the metal detectors to get to the lockers?
Correct. Here is a quick floor plan for ease of understanding their setup.


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#7
Ok, they moved them again. That the third place I've seen them now.

As I said, I can understand them keeping the keys since they're past the checkpoint, but at a minimum they should be giving you a claimcheck for them.
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#8
Yea, I even said in the OP I get why they would keep the key. But, as you said, you should get something to prove you have something locked up. What if I came back and it was two totally different deputies?
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#9
Do they make you walk through again to make sure you don't have a back up piece?
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GregorOneEye;67195 Wrote:Do they make you walk through again to make sure you don't have a back up piece?

Yea, they bring you back to the security checkpoint and have you empty your pockets and walk through the metal detector.

I did place a call to the Sheriff yesterday in regards to this situation. He returned my call this morning asking me to call him back to discuss it in the message he left. I haven't been able to reach him yet today, but I'll keep trying.
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