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NRA: Get 'homicidal maniacs' off streets
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Greater efforts are needed to identify and lock up mentally ill people who are dangerous, a top National Rifle Association official responding to the recent Washington Navy Yard shootings said Sunday.

The nation's mental health system is "in complete breakdown," resulting in not enough of the mentally ill being committed to psychiatric hospitals, National Rifle Association Executive Vice President Wayne LaPierre told NBC's "Meet the Press."

"If we leave these homicidal maniacs on the street ... they're going to kill," he said. "They need to be committed is what they need to be. If they are committed, they're not at the Naval Yard."

Aaron Alexis, the IT contractor who killed 12 people inside a Navy Yard building last week, had a history of violent outbursts, had told police he was hearing voices and was in the early stages of being treated by the Veterans Administration for serious mental problems.

Despite Alexis' history, weaknesses in federal laws aimed at keeping guns out of the hands of the mentally ill and criminals enabled him to clear a background check and obtain a shotgun that he used in the shooting from a Northern Virginia gun shop.

Doctors who treated Alexis should have carried out "a complete mental health status exam," Sen. Tom Coburn, R-Okla., told CBS' "Face the Nation."

"We have to make it where the health care professionals in this country, when they see somebody that is having symptoms of psychosis or schizophrenia, that they can act on that by notifying the `do not sell' list so that people can't buy guns," he said. "He (Alexis) bought a gun in spite of the fact that at several interchanges people were aware of his psychosis."

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Philadelphia Patriot;119347 Wrote:
Quote:NRA: Get 'homicidal maniacs' off streets

Greater efforts are needed to identify and lock up mentally ill people who are dangerous, a top National Rifle Association official responding to the recent Washington Navy Yard shootings said Sunday.

The nation's mental health system is "in complete breakdown," resulting in not enough of the mentally ill being committed to psychiatric hospitals, National Rifle Association Executive Vice President Wayne LaPierre told NBC's "Meet the Press."

"If we leave these homicidal maniacs on the street ... they're going to kill," he said. "They need to be committed is what they need to be. If they are committed, they're not at the Naval Yard."

Aaron Alexis, the IT contractor who killed 12 people inside a Navy Yard building last week, had a history of violent outbursts, had told police he was hearing voices and was in the early stages of being treated by the Veterans Administration for serious mental problems.

Despite Alexis' history, weaknesses in federal laws aimed at keeping guns out of the hands of the mentally ill and criminals enabled him to clear a background check and obtain a shotgun that he used in the shooting from a Northern Virginia gun shop.

Doctors who treated Alexis should have carried out "a complete mental health status exam," Sen. Tom Coburn, R-Okla., told CBS' "Face the Nation."

"We have to make it where the health care professionals in this country, when they see somebody that is having symptoms of psychosis or schizophrenia, that they can act on that by notifying the `do not sell' list so that people can't buy guns," he said. "He (Alexis) bought a gun in spite of the fact that at several interchanges people were aware of his psychosis."

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Call me crazy (pun intended) but I'm gonna guess that Mr. Alexis didn't snap until shortly after they put him on medication. And call me crazy, but there is this thing called microwave bone conduction, so he may very well have been hearing voices that were not originating from any mental illness, but from a technological means of driving someone insane. I mean, call me crazy, but it seems a little convenient that this guy snaps just as all of the "gun control" hysteria is dying down. A little too convenient, if you ask me.
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topsykretts;119375 Wrote:Call me crazy (pun intended) but I'm gonna guess that Mr. Alexis didn't snap until shortly after they put him on medication. And call me crazy, but there is this thing called microwave bone conduction, so he may very well have been hearing voices that were not originating from any mental illness, but from a technological means of driving someone insane. I mean, call me crazy, but it seems a little convenient that this guy snaps just as all of the "gun control" hysteria is dying down. A little too convenient, if you ask me.





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topsykretts;119375 Wrote:
Philadelphia Patriot;119347 Wrote:

Call me crazy (pun intended) but I'm gonna guess that Mr. Alexis didn't snap until shortly after they put him on medication. And call me crazy, but there is this thing called microwave bone conduction, so he may very well have been hearing voices that were not originating from any mental illness, but from a technological means of driving someone insane. I mean, call me crazy, but it seems a little convenient that this guy snaps just as all of the "gun control" hysteria is dying down. A little too convenient, if you ask me.

Way to many Manchurian candidates being used these days. At least that's what the voices in my head told me to say!
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No one should lose their right to bear arms for the "possibility" that they might commit a crime in the future. If we start down that road, then it's not long before we realize that anyone might commit a crime someday in their future. Went to seek help for depression or anxiety? No guns for you. Went to therapy for PTSD? No guns for you. Have a learning disability? No guns for you. This kind of thinking will cause sick people to NOT get the help they need, in fear that they will be punished. The problem will be worse.

The solution is not more laws. The solution is less laws, and less government involvement in our lives. The government has made life so shitty that it's literally driving people insane. Society has decayed and THAT is the problem.
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bac0nfat;119414 Wrote:No one should lose their right to bear arms for the "possibility" that they might commit a crime in the future. If we start down that road, then it's not long before we realize that anyone might commit a crime someday in their future. Went to seek help for depression or anxiety? No guns for you. Went to therapy for PTSD? No guns for you. Have a learning disability? No guns for you. This kind of thinking will cause sick people to NOT get the help they need, in fear that they will be punished. The problem will be worse.

The solution is not more laws. The solution is less laws, and less government involvement in our lives. The government has made life so shitty that it's literally driving people insane. Society has decayed and THAT is the problem.

Exactly!

It is estimated that the vast majority of adults in America where at one point clinically depressed due to life's circumstances.

An estimated 50% of the American population has thought about suicide.

Add to that even minor anxiety disorders, personality disorders, seasonally-tied depression (i.e. S.A.D.), etc.

That isn't even including learning disorders.

Add to this that most disorders do not have a concrete testing process thereby leaving diagnosis largely at the discretion of the clinician.

Just because someone has a mental health diagnosis does NOT mean they are a threat to anyone at all - themselves OR others.

Prohibiting someone from owning a firearm due to a mental health diagnosis is one of the most asinine things I have been hearing lately.
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Yep, keep giving the NRA your money...

...fools.
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Mr_Gixxer;119422 Wrote:Yep, keep giving the NRA your money...

...fools.

All I continue to hear in lament from the left is the power and influence of the NRA. So yup, I give them my money. I signed up my wife and I will sign my son up next.
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Mr_Gixxer;119422 Wrote:Yep, keep giving the NRA your money...

...fools.

Who would you suggest giving money to? While the NRA isn't perfect, gun owners need someone to lobby congress too.
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The NRA isn't perfect, but they are the most powerful. After their response they released in regards to Sandy Hook and how they prevented any federal gun control legislation from getting passed, I'll gladly write them a check.

As for local 2A issues, I think grassroots operations are still our best bet.
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