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Obama to Kill Tomahawk, Hellfire Missile Programs
#11
I agree cuts need to be made, but taking away the most effective tools for the job as opposed to the redundant or out dated ones strikes me as foolish. I support the tech advantage that such devices provide. But when the US Fleets have been largely converted to guided missile destroyers and then a notoriously weak and foppish elected official decides to do away with the most cost effective weapon in the arsenal, I gotta admit, I am inclined to disagree.

Resident Obama thinks the world is marching towards peace, and I do not share his optimistic appraisal of the situation.
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#12
Ten*K;138963 Wrote:I agree cuts need to be made, but taking away the most effective tools for the job as opposed to the redundant or out dated ones strikes me as foolish. I support the tech advantage that such devices provide. But when the US Fleets have been largely converted to guided missile destroyers and then a notoriously weak and foppish elected official decides to do away with the most cost effective weapon in the arsenal, I gotta admit, I am inclined to disagree.

Resident Obama thinks the world is marching towards peace, and I do not share his optimistic appraisal of the situation.
I agree TenK.
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#13
The first thing that should be cut is the billions in foreign aid we give....our military should be one of the last things cut.
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#14
I'm all in favor of strong national defense and a capable military, but war is big business. We need to stop this runaway bullshit spending on imperialism.

I served when I did because I felt it was the right thing to do at the time. Now, I'm not so sure I'd willingly participate in today's so called "defense of freedom."
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#15
I agree with Justin, the military complex is too large and there are deep cuts needed. There is MASSIVE waste and I've seen it first hand. It all stems from the crushing bureaucracy and over-regulation that determines 'color' of money, and the need to spend all of it to get anything for the next year, and why some agencies/programs get more money than they'll ever need so they waste the money on stuff that isn't important and others get little to nothing and scramble for leftovers.

The problem as I see it is they're looking for big line items and cutting randomly, without looking at what it is used for or how necessary it is. It's like axing a $500 expense from your personal budget because it's a big bill and will make a difference, while ignoring all the piddly micro-purchases that are REALLY at the root cause of a spending problem and are costing far more than that single bill you cut to make it look like you're doing something.

But you know what would save even more money than cutting the Navy's Tomahawk program? Forcing the navy to choose a single uniform instead of the 4 or 5 they issue in boot camp.
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#16
Uniforms are deducted from pay. You get a small clothing allowance to spend on repair/replacement if the military decides to. I got only one allowance in the Marines in my entire enlistment.

Lets talk about that budget, by the way. The Army ate up mist of the recent budgets at near 32%, the Navy at about 23.5%, the Air Force at 22%, Joint Intel/Ops at almost 19%, and the United States Marine Corps tipping the scales at a massive 4%. Four. Fo-er. Less than a nickle on the dollar.

You know who they always usually cut first? Uncle Sam's Maid Crew... yet we always get sent in to clean up the shit none of the other branches want to touch. In 1996, theAir Force budget was up to 65%! A brand new airman out of basic and school got an APARTMENT. As a Corporal i was living in a room smaller than my master bed room... with three other Marines.

The point of all the bitching is that I realize full well that less but appropriately spent funds make all the difference. It doesnt matter how many toys you keep in the garage if you rarely, if ever use them. American men and women are perfectly capable of getting shit done so long as they get the best training... to a degree. I completely understand the synergy of our combined military, and do not detract from the other services despite their financial advantages. But they could do a little more scrimping, saving, and maintaining their shit like the Marines are perenially required to.
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#17
(03-24-2014, 07:45 PM)JustinHEMI Wrote: It isn't weakening the military.

Our military industrial complex is what's destroying this country. It's what's crushing us under debt. Not welfare, food stamps, unemployment.


Cut deep I say.

Justin

Omg. I think I may agree with you on something lol.

Keep cutting...
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#18
Well that's assuming there's any truth in any of this. The only sites carrying the "news" are your typical right wing Obama hating sites..., as if Obama can do such a thing unilaterally anyway. Sadly, pa2a shows up near the top of page two of the search.

Color me skeptical. If there is any truth, I'm sure there's another side of the story.

Justin
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JustinHEMI;138991 Wrote:Well that's assuming there's any truth in any of this. The only sites carrying the "news" are your typical right wing Obama hating sites..., as if Obama can do such a thing unilaterally anyway. Sadly, pa2a shows up near the top of page two of the search.

Color me skeptical. If there is any truth, I'm sure there's another side of the story.

At this point I passed the skeptical exit miles ago and coming up to the cynical off ramp. I'm sure more than a few fully believe Obama has meetings with the Muslim Brotherhood deciding which program to cut but the .mil world just done not work that way.
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#20
The military needs to be about 1/2 of what it is today. Don't worry, we have these wonderful tools that really make it so we don't need a military, they are called nuclear missiles. If someone really poses a threat, we turn them into glass, they may in turn do the same but they will be no longer. If you're going to war with someone that has them, then they will used. If we go into a war with someone that doesn't have them, we do not have to leave our couches.

People that complain about military pay are like people that complain that they went to school and racked up $100,000 worth of college loans to get an art degree, can't sell a painting and cry that they are poor. Here's a wake up call, we don't pay low end soldiers well. DO NOT ENTER THE MILITARY AND EXPECT TO MAKE MONEY.
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