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The new Call of Duty Black Ops 2 is coming out soon 11/12-11/13. I will be going with a group of friends to wait for the doors to open. We will most likely be the first people in line, we always are for Black Friday we are hardcore about it HAHA. I want to OC while out and about before we set up shop there and I want to OC while waiting. It will be multiple hours most likely. My main questions are 1.Can they make me leave the sidewalk? It's public property (no different then standing on Walmarts sidewalk) and in the same area of our Walmart. 2.I believe we are still in a SOE and might be by then, so if a LEO comes and they show up being in a SOE do I HAVE to provide documents since in a SOE you have to hold a valid PA permit to OC? 3.How do I know when they retire a SOE? 4.I know they don't have to let me IN the store.(I have no need to go in once they open, just wanting to spend time with a friend finally visiting from SC).

I'm a strong OC supporter and don't mind exercising my rights, I have declined ID and Permit before for OC. I'm just iffy about declining IF we are still in SOE.

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AndrewG23;34099 Wrote:The new Call of Duty Black Ops 2 is coming out soon 11/12-11/13. I will be going with a group of friends to wait for the doors to open. We will most likely be the first people in line, we always are for Black Friday we are hardcore about it HAHA. I want to OC while out and about before we set up shop there and I want to OC while waiting. It will be multiple hours most likely. My main questions are 1.Can they make me leave the sidewalk? It's public property (no different then standing on Walmarts sidewalk) and in the same area of our Walmart. 2.I believe we are still in a SOE and might be by then, so if a LEO comes and they show up being in a SOE do I HAVE to provide documents since in a SOE you have to hold a valid PA permit to OC? 3.How do I know when they retire a SOE? 4.I know they don't have to let me IN the store.(I have no need to go in once they open, just wanting to spend time with a friend finally visiting from SC).

I'm a strong OC supporter and don't mind exercising my rights, I have declined ID and Permit before for OC. I'm just iffy about declining IF we are still in SOE.

G23

It depends on who actually owns the sidewalk. If you're on a public street, you should be fine. If you're on the sidewalk outside the business like a mall and they own the property, they can kick you out. A parking lot isn't always a public place if it's owned by the business.
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#3
I would not OC around a bunch of people who think they know everything about guns despite never shooting a real one.

And yes, that is blatant judgmentalism.
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Camper;34108 Wrote:I would not OC around a bunch of people who think they know everything about guns despite never shooting a real one.

And yes, that is blatant judgmentalism.

Bu-bu-but dey are hardcore killers. Dey know all abouts dem gun things.
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I see your point on it being private property, bu bu bu butttt. It is a business accessed from public roads, which makes it public property. Which is why Police can enforce traffic violations on the (owned) property. I don't see the right for them to be able to enforce that but not allow me to participate in a lawful act (on the side walk)



HAHA And yes all COD gammers know everything about guns... duhh ;p[/align]
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My Gamestop cares 2 rat turds less about my OC. Most are surprised that I'm carrying a 1911 and not a Glock as, for another year and a month, I'm in the "under 30" crowd... lol

Yes, you need a LTCF to carry ANY weapon outside your home or place of business during a SOE. However, most cops think OC is illegal because they can't be bothered to take the time to read the laws, do you actually think they know that little gem?

Carry it incase you need it, but unless a LEO comes up to you asking for it and doesn't state why he thinks you should have it (because of the SOE) then don't give him crap...

A public sidewalk is a public sidewalk. Nobody else is really going to be open at that time, and only the person in charge of THAT store can tell you anything. You're in front of Staples, Gamestop employees control exactly dick at Staples... lol

I'm not saying that everyone won't be staring at your gun and asking questions, giving comments that are made purely from video games and will drive you nuts, but I don't foresee many problems.

Think of the average gamer. He is young, often a teenager. Higher chances of being a stoner (stoners don't like trouble because trouble means the cops) or virgins (Your secret is safe with me Dan). Neither group is really prone to violence. These people seldom leave the house, but are the first to trash talk you online because on a headset, they become ninja masters who shoot faster than Master class shooters and gave classes to Jerry Miculek on how to properly hold a revolver...

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Chazman321;34139 Wrote:My Gamestop cares 2 rat turds less about my OC. Most are surprised that I'm carrying a 1911 and not a Glock as, for another year and a month, I'm in the "under 30" crowd... lol

Yes, you need a LTCF to carry ANY weapon outside your home or place of business during a SOE. However, most cops think OC is illegal because they can't be bothered to take the time to read the laws, do you actually think they know that little gem?

Carry it incase you need it, but unless a LEO comes up to you asking for it and doesn't state why he thinks you should have it (because of the SOE) then don't give him crap...

A public sidewalk is a public sidewalk. Nobody else is really going to be open at that time, and only the person in charge of THAT store can tell you anything. You're in front of Staples, Gamestop employees control exactly dick at Staples... lol

I'm not saying that everyone won't be staring at your gun and asking questions, giving comments that are made purely from video games and will drive you nuts, but I don't foresee many problems.

Think of the average gamer. He is young, often a teenager. Higher chances of being a stoner (stoners don't like trouble because trouble means the cops) or virgins (Your secret is safe with me Dan). Neither group is really prone to violence. These people seldom leave the house, but are the first to trash talk you online because on a headset, they become ninja masters who shoot faster than Master class shooters and gave classes to Jerry Miculek on how to properly hold a revolver...

Carry on, but be ready for the storms of stupid and annoying to converge with ignorance to form
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I don't think you could have had a better reply haha. So you're pretty much saying. Unless he is aware of OC and SOE then act as it was a normal day OC harass Big Grin?
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#8
I prepaid for my copy of COD:BO2 at the Gamestop in the mall I used to work at. They don't allow OC and the security guards don't care about CC as long as they don't know you have it.
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AndrewG23;34133 Wrote:bu bu bu butttt. It is a business accessed from public roads, which makes it public property. Which is why Police can enforce traffic violations on the (owned) property.

Uh, NO.

It's my understanding that police can only enforce traffic violations on public access private property and the request and/or with the permission of the owner. Either way, it remains private property, and you can be asked to leave for ANY reason.
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#10
Your sidewalk allows the public access to your front door, but does not make your sidewalk "public property".
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