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For you OCers out there, do you guys use holsters with a retention device such as a thumb strap, etc. or do you just use an open top with no additional steps (e.g. don't have to push in the button on a serpa or ALS) to unholster your weapon?

Edit: Looking at holsters in case I choose to open carry a cocked and locked government 1911.
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Philadelphia Patriot;111687 Wrote:For you OCers out there, do you guys use holsters with a retention device such as a thumb strap, etc. or do you just use an open top with no additional steps (e.g. don't have to push in the button on a serpa or ALS) to unholster your weapon?

Edit: Looking at holsters in case I choose to open carry a cocked and locked government 1911.

Mostly I use an OWB holster, which has some type of retention device. There have been very rare occasions that I have carried IWB (but still OC) with a Milt Sparks Versa-Max holster. This has no retention 'device', but is custom molded to the firearm, so it's not quite as easy as just slipping it out as you may pass by.

The firearm I have carried in this manner is a Para-Ordnance, with their LDA trigger system. This is slightly different than the traditional trigger system on a 1911. Technically, I carry it in "Condition 0", but because of the trigger system difference, I think of it more as a "Condition .5" (ie - between 0 and 1). If I were to carry a 1911 with the traditional trigger system, I don't think I'd every carry it in Condition 0, combined with no retention device. It would either be Condition 1 if there were no retention device, or Condition 0 with a retention device.
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I have retention straps on leather holsters. Ordering a IWI Roto soon though. If I like it I'll get one for another gun too.
They look sturdy and people I know love theirs. Great for Condition 1. Plus the modular attachment options are nice. I like the more natural position of the release compared to a Serpa.

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Situational awareness and fight training trumps retention holsters. I used to use them, like SERPAs or leather with thumb breaks, but I've been using open top OWB leather ones; currently, I favor my Gould & Goodrich OWB holster.
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jahwarrior72;111710 Wrote:Situational awareness and fight training trumps retention holsters.

I agree, but there are some 'practical' situations where I've found a holster like the Serpa to be useful in the 'peace of mind' department, like being underneath a vehicle to change the oil, and some hiking/climbing activities, where if a non-retention holster lost its hold on the firearm, the firearm could be cosmetically damaged pretty badly.
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I carry my 1911 in a serpa, on a police duty belt, that has the keepers to hold it to my regular belt.

The serpa offers the button retention, and the duty belt holds it snug without allowing it to flex. Not to mention the belt has the normal "pinch buckle" and a secondary catch on it.

My brother gave me a belt to try, and together with the serpa I am able to walk, run, ride a bike. And it stays solid.
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When I open carry in public (i.e. not around the house/yard/etc.) I use a retention holster.

I sorta agree with Jah on this issue, though. To me, the retention on a holster is the last defense against a gun grab. S/A to prevent the issue, combined with adequate hands-on skills if S/A fails or the situation goes FUBAR is my go-to for gun-grab situations.

I would only count on retention to give me an added second or two at best in a gun grab attempt. Also, retention is much more of a defensive feature. Given enough time, anyone can defeat any retention holster. Without skills to back up the holster, even a level 4 retention holster is pointless. With that being said, if someone does go for my handgun, I will take whatever help I can get - including a retention holster.
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When I OC it's a 1911 in a Galco leather holster with the standard thumb break. Galco says it's designed for carry with the hammer down on an empty chamber, but I suspect the statement is made for legal reasons because it works fine cocked & locked.

For me, the strap is more about preventing slip. The forward cant pretty much prevents anyone from coming from behind and drawing it.
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I've OCed several firearms in holsters whats now become for several years. Ranging from my Glock 19 to my Smith & Wesson 686. I've never worn a holster with any retention device beyond tension. Shrug

My favorite holsters are DeSantes Speed Scabbards for functionality and Simply Rugged holsters for their quality & aesthetics.


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Thanks guys, I really appreciate your input! I like carrying concealed in an owb with an open top holster, but I wasn't sure if that would be fine for OCing. Right now I am looking at carrying my 1911 in the Bianchi Model 57, G&G Model 800, and Aker 168A Flastsider (all holster choices in black).

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