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http://insider.foxnews.com/2015/01/22/vi...-vigilante
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#2
Well... he was lucky he didnt get shot. That should serve as a reminder to folks that just because you have a gun doesnt mean you can shirk unarmed self defense.
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Better than getting "SWATTED" I guess. It was obvious that the victim in this case was completely oblivious to his surroundings as well. Can't defend yourself if you aren't paying attention.
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Interesting in that the armed guy has no game beyond the firearm. Also, the other guy is getting slapped with assault charges.
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Just gets you thinking. How ready are you at any given moment?
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In a case like that, I'd like to think that I wouldn't shoot anyone, lest they tried pulling my own gun on me. I certainly wouldn't hold back from defending myself otherwise.
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sgtsandman;160772 Wrote:Better than getting "SWATTED" I guess. It was obvious that the victim in this case was completely oblivious to his surroundings as well. Can't defend yourself if you aren't paying attention.

I'm not seeing it.

The gun owner was tackled from behind by someone larger than themselves in the entrance way to store. Unless you have spider senses ™ or constantly turn around to see who is behind you (probably wouldn't have helped anyhow since he started his attack from a few feet away) I'm not sure how you could avoid this scenario. Also, the gun owner knew immediately why the guy tackled him since he was telling the dude he had a license. There's no audio to prove this but I'm guessing the the vigilante ass-hole started shouting "He's got a gun!" as soon as he tackled the guy. Mr responsible gun owner decides to defuse the situation by letting everyone know he's a legal carrier instead of shooting the douche. Also, it's kinda silly to expect a 62 year old to grapple with someone larger and younger who has them around the neck especially when thet get the jump on them.

With apologies to Capt. Kirk, there is such a thing as a no-win situation.
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(01-27-2015, 12:22 AM)Rik Bitter Wrote:
sgtsandman;160772 Wrote:Better than getting "SWATTED" I guess. It was obvious that the victim in this case was completely oblivious to his surroundings as well. Can't defend yourself if you aren't paying attention.

I'm not seeing it.

The gun owner was tackled from behind by someone larger than themselves in the entrance way to store. Unless you have spider senses ™ or constantly turn around to see who is behind you (probably wouldn't have helped anyhow since he started his attack from a few feet away) I'm not sure how you could avoid this scenario. Also, the gun owner knew immediately why the guy tackled him since he was telling the dude he had a license. There's no audio to prove this but I'm guessing the the vigilante ass-hole started shouting "He's got a gun!" as soon as he tackled the guy. Mr responsible gun owner decides to defuse the situation by letting everyone know he's a legal carrier instead of shooting the douche. Also, it's kinda silly to expect a 62 year old to grapple with someone larger and younger who has them around the neck especially when thet get the jump on them.

With apologies to Capt. Kirk, there is such a thing as a no-win situation.

In the military, we got taught the "21' Rule". Within 21', a person can close the gap on you, in the time it takes you to: react, draw, aim, and fire. All the more reason to be situationally aware and have a plan to fend off that attacker in the time it takes to draw your weapon. Otherwise, make sure your "Battle Buddy" has a weapon, too! :-)
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DeadEye;160942 Wrote:
(01-27-2015, 12:22 AM)Rik Bitter Wrote: I'm not seeing it.

The gun owner was tackled from behind by someone larger than themselves in the entrance way to store. Unless you have spider senses ™ or constantly turn around to see who is behind you (probably wouldn't have helped anyhow since he started his attack from a few feet away) I'm not sure how you could avoid this scenario. Also, the gun owner knew immediately why the guy tackled him since he was telling the dude he had a license. There's no audio to prove this but I'm guessing the the vigilante ass-hole started shouting "He's got a gun!" as soon as he tackled the guy. Mr responsible gun owner decides to defuse the situation by letting everyone know he's a legal carrier instead of shooting the douche. Also, it's kinda silly to expect a 62 year old to grapple with someone larger and younger who has them around the neck especially when thet get the jump on them.

With apologies to Capt. Kirk, there is such a thing as a no-win situation.

In the military, we got taught the "21' Rule". Within 21', a person can close the gap on you, in the time it takes you to: react, draw, aim, and fire. All the more reason to be situationally aware and have a plan to fend off that attacker in the time it takes to draw your weapon. Otherwise, make sure your "Battle Buddy" has a weapon, too! :-)

I guess I'm one of those clueless gun owners too. I rarely concoct a plan to take down everyone who enters a store's breezeway with me.
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(01-27-2015, 12:50 AM)Rik Bitter Wrote:
DeadEye;160942 Wrote:In the military, we got taught the "21' Rule". Within 21', a person can close the gap on you, in the time it takes you to: react, draw, aim, and fire. All the more reason to be situationally aware and have a plan to fend off that attacker in the time it takes to draw your weapon. Otherwise, make sure your "Battle Buddy" has a weapon, too! :-)

I guess I'm one of those clueless gun owners too. I rarely concoct a plan to take down everyone who enters a store's breezeway with me.

It's a question(s) everyone who carries should constantly ask one's self. Psychologist might think of it as paranoia, but the military refers to it as "situational awareness". In essence, "What would I do, if?" To include, "What would I do if I got blindsided (try not to, but it could happen) in the store's breezeway?" Maybe the guy already thought of it, and his answer was "Nothing, so long as Dude doesn't try and shoot me with my own weapon." If you stop and think about it, no one got hurt. The gun owner did not have to go all Commando on the attacker. In fact, I have heard and read several stories where gun owners "took one for the team", rather than escalate incidences beyond a physical altercation that was non-life threatening. For instance, someone slaps you, for whatever reason, while you are carrying concealed, do you pull your gun and start shooting? Do you escalate the situation by hitting them back? Or do you just walk away, because either of the above might wind up ending with one of you in the morgue and the other sitting in a jail cell for an extremely long period of time?

You're in a restaurant, eating, and the place is crowded. An armed robber runs in, sticks a shotgun in the cashier's face, demanding money. You have a weapon, so you...?

The answer just might be, "Keep eating, and try to get a good description of the guy for the cops, unless the perp pulls the trigger. Let them run out with the cash, so long as no one gets hurt."

Situational awareness, if you carry, it behooves you to think about it.
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