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#1
Is there an option to open carry in PA? How difficult is it to get an open carry and concealed carry permit in Franklin County?

Few other PA questions... (Moving to Green Castle in Dec 2015)

Can you own a flash surpressor? Silencer etc? - Legally that is :-)

Can you have a "pistol grip" on a rifle or AR?

Can you have a collapsical stock?

Can you lock your gun in your car?

Thanks in advance!!
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#2
bokeldol;155171 Wrote:Is there an option to open carry in PA? How difficult is it to get an open carry and concealed carry permit in Franklin County?

Few other PA questions... (Moving to Green Castle in Dec 2015)

Can you own a flash surpressor? Silencer etc? - Legally that is :-)

Can you have a "pistol grip" on a rifle or AR?

Can you have a collapsical stock?

Can you lock your gun in your car?

Thanks in advance!!

Yes, but not in a vehicle. Not at all.

Yes. And yes with an NFA.

Absolutely.

Certainly.

Yep.
gascolator, proud to be a member of pa2a.org since Nov 2012.
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#3
Open carry is legal throughout Pennsylvania.

It is recommended that you obtain a Pennsylvania License to Carry a Firearm (LTCF) Permit which neuters any LEO's questioning you and whether you're permitted to have that firearm on you. It's required if you're in a vehicle or you happen to be inside Philadelphia.

If you're in Philadelphia the rules are slightly different (HIGHLY recommended that you do not OC inside Philly b/c of police harassment): http://www.philadelinquency.com/2014/10/...lice-free/


There's no "open carry" vs. "concealed carry" permit in PA. It's just a License to Carry Firearms Permit. If you are required to carry a firearm in terms of your employment you'll need to obtain a PA Act 235 license separately which is more rigorous on the screening, and it is not interchangeable with a standard carry permit.
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#4
Thank You gascolator!

So if you are driving you must have it concealed, then once you get out you CAN open carry? Like walk down the street with a gun on your hip in a secured holster????

Wow - Flash surpressor, Collapsible stock and a pistol grip - I could have all of these options on my AR?

UN-REAL!! Awesome!!

Thanks ArcticSplash.

Great information - Not used to these freedom's coming from Mass.
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#5
bokeldol;155175 Wrote:Thank You gascolator!

So if you are driving you must have it concealed, then once you get out you CAN open carry? Like walk down the street with a gun on your hip in a secured holster????

Wow - Flash surpressor, Collapsible stock and a pistol grip - I could have all of these options on my AR?

UN-REAL!! Awesome!!

No... if you are a PA resident and you are going to travel in a vehicle with a firearm, you need an LTCF permit. You don't have to have it completely concealed. I keep mine in the soda cup holder completely visible, +1 and charged.

Pennsylvania basically allows you to own whatever is allowed in the NFA. We allow tracer rounds, frangible ammo ("cop killer bullets"), reloads, pistol grips, Class 3s/FAs, suppressors... the works.
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#6
Thanks again ArcticSplash!

First thing we will do is get our DL and LTC!

I cannot imagine if you were driving around here and someone saw the gun in the cup holder - you would have all of these left wing anti-gun moonbats calling in the national guard...
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#7
bokeldol;155177 Wrote:Thanks again ArcticSplash!

First thing we will do is get our DL and LTC!

I cannot imagine if you were driving around here and someone saw the gun in the cup holder - you would have all of these left wing anti-gun moonbats calling in the national guard...

To add to what has already been stated, the act of being in a vehicle is what makes it concealed carry. You may legally open carry in PA without a LTCF (except in Philly), but the moment you enter a vehicle you are concealed.

As a general rule of thumb, people are stupid and not aware of their surrounding environment, or are heavily armed themselves. You can drive with a handgun on your dashboard and it is a pretty good bet that 0 people will notice. Most people who open carry daily will tell you that a majority of people they pass by or encounter do not notice.

There is no "brandishing" law in PA. You are either open or concealed, if you have your LTCF it makes no difference. I myself make very little effort to conceal and much to my amazement, nobody has ever said anything to me.

Obviously when keeping a gun in your car you want to exercise some discretion to keep from advertising your vehicle as a high value target to thieves. I keep an AR15 and 8 30 round magazines in my car plus an additional 4 magazines for my sidearm. Nowhere on my car will you find an NRA sticker or anything that could be deemed "pro gun".

Not only can we own NFA toys, you will find that a great number of people in PA do own NFA toys.
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#8
Some CLEOs are more willing to sign off on NFA paperwork than others though, so your mileage may vary with that.

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csmith;155185 Wrote:To add to what has already been stated, the act of being in a vehicle is what makes it concealed carry. You may legally open carry in PA without a LTCF (except in Philly), but the moment you enter a vehicle you are concealed.

The statements I quoted above are "made-up". This is not stipulated anywhere in Pennsylvania law, and can be misleading as this is what leads to the argument some folks make that OC is therefore legal on motorcycle, because you are not "in" a vehicle and the handgun is not "concealed".

The law actual simply says this:

Quote:18 Pa.C.S. § 6106. Firearms not to be carried without a license.
(a) Offense defined.--
(1) Except as provided in paragraph (2), any person who carries a firearm in any vehicle

or

any person who carries a firearm concealed on or about his person, except in his place of abode or fixed
place of business, without a valid and lawfully issued license under this chapter commits a
felony of the third degree.

Cite: http://www.pa2a.org/wiki.php?wid=23

The fact is, you do need your LTCF even to open carry on a motorcycle. The reasoning lies in the statutory definition of a "vehicle", it has nothing to do with being concealed.

Wink
“Necessity is the plea for every infringement of human freedom. It is the argument of tyrants; it is the creed of slaves.”

William Pitt
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#10
Simply put:

You can open carry WITHOUT a license to carry as long as you're on foot, aren't covering the weapon in any way, and:
-You AREN'T in/on a motor vehicle
-It ISN'T a state of emergency
-You AREN'T in Philly

If any of those three things happen, then you need a LTCF to open carry.

Getting a LTCF varies from county to county, but you just fill out the form, pay the $20 fee, get the background check done, and wait for it to come in the mail. Some counties will process it on the spot, others take a couple weeks. Some counties may require (3) character references, but I have yet to hear of anyone's references being contacted.

Flash hiders/suppressors are not NFA items, and are allowed.

NFA items like short barreled rifles, suppressors, and burst-fire/full-auto firearms are allowed in PA. However, the difficulty lies in whether your sheriff will sign off on it. It doesn't seem like too many sheriff's are unwilling to sign off on the paperwork though.

Buying a firearm is pretty simple in PA. Go in, pick what you want, get the standard checks done, pay for it, and walk out. 18 yrs old to purchase long guns, 21 yrs old to purchase handguns.

Buying ammo is just walking in and buying it over the counter.

PA is a stand your ground and Castle Doctrine state. You don't have to retreat from a place you can legally be to defend yourself. You don't have to retreat in your home to defend yourself. That's not a license to kill though, so it better be a clean shoot if you defend.

You can drink and carry as well. Be responsible though: don't be an idiot.

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