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http://newyork.cbslocal.com/2014/09/22/w...-brooklyn/

Bad parenting. Horrible teenagers. Violence...lack of respect for life. Quite possibly Obama-generation racism involved, but that isn't clear here, of course.

My husband has been known to once in awhile get onto teenagers for littering or something. One time in a McDonalds, a group of teens (white, FTR) left crap all over the floor and table and were about to walk out. He got up and said, "Hey! You guys should really clean up after yourselves. Be responsible." A few picked up, but most just walked out. So he cleaned up the crap for them.

Kids these days make me sick sometimes. There is nothing wrong with teaching your kids to say "Yes, ma'am" to a strange adult in public, whether they respect them or not. It's an adult. Since when do kids think they have some sort of right to nearly kill someone else just because they disliked something they said?!

Quote:It was a brutal attack the woman, named Amanda, said that all started because she asked the teens to stop swearing inside the crowded subway car.
“I said, ‘You guys should be more respectful for your age. There’s a bunch of children on the train right here, and that’s unacceptable,’” the woman told Schneider.
Amanda, who did not want to reveal her last name, said she made the simple, peaceful plea to the group of 14- and 15-year-old girls on the afternoon of Sept. 10. The result was violence, she said.
“They pushed me out of the train at my stop. They shoved me,” Amanda said.
Amanda said a group of three girls knocked her to the ground and started kicking her.
“My hearing; my vision went out. I couldn’t move,” Amanda said. “And they were relentless. Like they were just like trying — if they had had time, I really believe that they would’ve killed me.”
Amanda said she was overpowered and couldn’t fight back. One man who was on the subway train with her pulled those teens away before Metropolitan Transportation Authority police came in to arrest the girls.
Amanda was rushed to a trauma center for serious head injuries.
“I have two bruises on my knees, I have head trauma and a concussion, and I have to take it easy for a few months,” she said.
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#2
Sucks... and if you defend yourself in any way against "unarmed teens" then their who neighborhood will demand your head. Even saying anything negative about them could cost you your job.
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Ten*K;153930 Wrote:Sucks... and if you defend yourself in any way against "innocent unarmed children" then their who neighborhood will demand your head. Even saying anything negative about them could cost you your job.


Fixed it for ya. Dodgy
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#4
America needs you, Bernie Goetz.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bernhard_Goetz
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#5
I want to reply, but I'll just get added to another watch list.
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#6
Just read this....Oh my gosh...sooo sick of this! What the heck?!

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2014/09/24/hun...m-changes/

Quote:Hundreds of students walked out of classrooms around suburban Denver on Tuesday in protest over a conservative-led school board proposal to focus history education on topics that promote citizenship, patriotism and respect for authority, in a show of civil disobedience that the new standards would aim to downplay.

Quote:"I don't think my education should be censored. We should be able to know what happened in our past," said Tori Leu, a 17-year-old student who protested at Ralston Valley High School in Arvada.


What the HECK is being censored about our past of patriotism, citizenship, and respect for authority? I know one of the complaints is that they are trying to downplay civil disobedience....which protesting is fine, but people need to know that looting and rioting and making a nuisance of themselves every time they don't get their own way is childish and selfish.

I feel old.
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RugerGirl;153957 Wrote:I feel old.

Me too.

Now imagine being a remaining part of the greatest generation and thinking..."this is what I fought for?"
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#8
If you focus on patriotism, citizenship, and respect for authority, then you totally negate the Civil Rights movement, the late 60/70's protest of the Vietnam war, etc. These are parts of history I remember and would want included in a positive way. You remember the violence of some parts of this. I remember that years of peaceful demonstrations happened first.

What if some government tried to teach your child that they must be patriotic and turn in your guns? Patriotism is in the eye of the beholder.


RugerGirl;153957 Wrote:Just read this....Oh my gosh...sooo sick of this! What the heck?!

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2014/09/24/hun...m-changes/

Quote:Hundreds of students walked out of classrooms around suburban Denver on Tuesday in protest over a conservative-led school board proposal to focus history education on topics that promote citizenship, patriotism and respect for authority, in a show of civil disobedience that the new standards would aim to downplay.

Quote:"I don't think my education should be censored. We should be able to know what happened in our past," said Tori Leu, a 17-year-old student who protested at Ralston Valley High School in Arvada.


What the HECK is being censored about our past of patriotism, citizenship, and respect for authority? I know one of the complaints is that they are trying to downplay civil disobedience....which protesting is fine, but people need to know that looting and rioting and making a nuisance of themselves every time they don't get their own way is childish and selfish.

I feel old.
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#9
As my police friends say, it's all about how well you articulate what happened. For instance, a former neighbor had a perp who kept flashing his junk at his daughter. When he went to talk to the young man, the young man, feeling pressured, backed up and tripped over the concrete steps on the sidewalk. Since the young man was unconscious, and the head wounds match that with falling against concrete, the police viewed it as a perfectly plausible story. When the perp regained consciousness, all he could repeat was, "What happened?" Case closed.
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#10
History should be plain, ordinary facts--warts and all.

It can be taught in interesting and innovative ways without injecting personal biases into the discussion, provided that the teacher is smart enough to understand why the people at the time felt the way they did and are able to explain it.

I remember being down at the Jamestown Settlement last year (the fake one, not the real one although we went to both) and a school group being there. When they were in the church, the teacher was leading the kids--telling them how awful it must have been to go to church so many times a week, sometimes for several hours at a time. She was leading them on and pushing them until they agreed "yeah, that's too long." Where the teacher failed, was not explaining that the people of the time did not see it that way, and how the bulk of them were extremely faithful and wanted to be there out of choice. She was injecting her personal bias, and not reporting the facts and thereby skewing the perception of history to fit her perception of it.

I think civil disobedience needs to be taught, right along side with patriotism. Like mingomom alludes to, it is in essence an act of patriotism. Our government has a very sordid past, and is not always in the right. Slavery, Japanese internment camps, near eradication of the Native Americans....these are instances where civil disobedience was mandatory in keeping with the tenants of our founding documents--which incidentally, demand more than civil disobedience against the government when necessary.

But no matter what the opinion of the teacher is, they should always teach from neutrality.

Best history teacher--possibly best teacher period--I ever had was in my senior year in high school. HUGE New Jersey liberal, but you would never know it unless you asked him directly what his thoughts on something was. He would always tell the class something very much like "history is what happened, which side you take is the culmination of your own points of view and personal experiences. Develop your own opinion from that, not from what me or anyone else have decided on."
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