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Worth reading. das
Overpenetration
We talk about it all the time, but is over-penetration really something we should worry about in a self-defense situation?

By Richard Mann (RSS)
July 16, 2014
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das;151016 Wrote:Worth reading. das
Overpenetration
We talk about it all the time, but is over-penetration really something we should worry about in a self-defense situation?

By Richard Mann (RSS)
July 16, 2014
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Yes. I absolutely worry about this, because while I've decided long ago I'd be OK ending the life of someone trying to end mine, the last thing I want to do is even injure an innocent bystander, especially if its my wife or kid.

Since I expect that I will be shooting at someone trying to enter my bedroom, and it essentially lies in the middle of two of my kids rooms, I'm EXTREMELY concerned with the bullet travelling beyond the bad guy and into one of my daughters.

Also, when I'm camping in the camper, I do not want to end up shooting someone a trailer away for much of the same reason.

Is the worry enough to stop carrying or not use the gun? Its all situational. If I'm by myself and there are no kids in the bedroom that could be hit it could go through them and all the way through the back wall into the field for all I care. But if someone is between me and my kids or the bad guy is in a group of innocent people, it's going to matter to me a LOT.
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I think it's a issue of tactics, not bullet selection. Anything that is powerful enough to effectively stop a threat will penetrate multiple objects before stopping.

Instead of trying to find the unobtainable perfect round that will kill a bad guy with one shot but stop after going though a single layer of sheetrock, we should focus on knowing where each round will travel. Simply taking one step to the side before firing can make the difference between life and death for a bystander.

Obviously every situation is different, and you wont always have time to thoroughly analyze your surroundings and make an adjustment in your position before firing, but that's just the way it is. Gun fights are quick and unpredictable, so there is no way to prepare for every situation. But you can account for the most likely situations, especially in familiar areas such as your house and place of work. Ask yourself, where is the intruder most likely to enter? Which direction will I most likely be firing? Can I rearrange the rooms in my house so that my children will be behind the line of fire, instead of in front?
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This is why you should always know whats beyond your target.
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I worry about it too, but when you think about it, it rarely happens. Think of all the self defense news items we have heard of in the past year.....and no bystanders were ever hurt while a bad guy was being taken down.
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I don't worry about it based on odds.

The odds of you needing to use your gun and firing it to stop a threat are extremely small. In that unlikely event, the odds of you over penetrating and hurting an innocent bystander are even smaller.

Combined, it just isn't worth worrying about, for me.

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JustinHEMI;151031 Wrote:I don't worry about it based on odds.

The odds of you needing to use your gun and firing it to stop a threat are extremely small. In that unlikely event, the odds of you over penetrating and hurting an innocent bystander are even smaller.

This is of course true, and I'm not sitting wringing my hands over it so "worry" is a bit misleading, but it is something that I'm as aware of and something I take into consideration such as knowing what the gun holds counting down rounds accordingly when practicing, or deliberately keeping the pistol pointed away from people even when empty.
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Well of course, standard gun safety measures apply. Above that, anything else is unnecessary IMO.

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Over penetration?

I'd rather have that than under penetration. I might be alone when I say that I carry FMJ's in everything and could care less about "this fancy bullet expanded like this or that".

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#10
I worry about it more so when I'm hunting.
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