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PA no longer recognizes Utah permit?
#21
ExcelToExcel;143387 Wrote:I think this might be the stupidity we needed to have her perform. This may finally make the PA legislature pass a law stating it is legal to carry on any valid states carry permit or licence to carry, it may also include no carry on another states permit for residents, and it may specifically forbid any other activities beyond a NICS check to obtain an LTCF. Furthermore it may take it completely away from Philadelphia and restore it to the sheriff or better the pa state police.

Never happen, at least not with the current makeup of the legislature and the incredible amount of pressure CeaseFire is putting on them.

There's a reason 2011 and 921 are stuck folks ... and getting something like this through now is a pipe dream. MAYBE if we got 5000+ screaming on the steps in HB but not the way things are going right now.
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#22
I presume this does not effect resident issued Utah reciprocity?
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#23
God's Country;143397 Wrote:I presume this does not effect resident issued Utah reciprocity?

No, it does, ANY Utah issued permit is no longer valid for CC in PA.
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#24
Here is a simplified explaination based on my understanding having read the document prefaced by the fact that I am not a lawyer and am not giving legal advice to anyone just sharing the way I personally interpret the document, consult your legal advisor before making any decision to carry or not.:

-If someone is a PA resident and has only a Utah non-resident permit and no PA LTCF they are fucked.

-If someone is a Utah resident with a Utah resident permit temporarily visiting PA someone may continue to carry in PA

-A PA resident with a LTCF may still carry in Utah if temporarily visiting.

Again that's just how I interpret what I read as of the posting date as a layman and I could be wrong. If someone knows better please correct me. I should also note that I do not currently and have never possessed a Utah permit, neither resident or non-resident and am not 100% familiar with Utah specific statutes.
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#25
The trouble is that they can make an effective 30 second Commerical about this that sounds reasonable: Actor X denied PA permit but still could carry with out of state permit.

Yeah, yeah we all know but outside our small echo chamber.............Shrug
Dave, proudly annoying members of pa2a.org since Sep 2012.
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#26
Emoticon;143405 Wrote:Here is a simplified explaination based on my understanding having read the document prefaced by the fact that I am not a lawyer and am not giving legal advice to anyone just sharing the way I personally interpret the document, consult your legal advisor before making any decision to carry or not.:

-If someone is a PA resident and has only a Utah non-resident permit and no PA LTCF they are fucked.

-If someone is a Utah resident with a Utah resident permit temporarily visiting PA someone may continue to carry in PA

-A PA resident with a LTCF may still carry in Utah if temporarily visiting.

Again that's just how I interpret what I read as of the posting date as a layman and I could be wrong. If someone knows better please correct me. I should also note that I do not currently and have never possessed a Utah permit, neither resident or non-resident and am not 100% familiar with Utah specific statutes.

Would you point to where the distinction between resident and non resident Utah permit is made? It is my understanding that PA no longer recognizes Utah period.

I know kane made the changes to reflect 'resident only' on other agreements, but not with Utah, unless I missed it somewhere.

Utah on the other hand recognizes every state license/permit.

On this Utah reciprocity page PA is among those not honoring Utah whatsoever.


http://publicsafety.utah.gov/bci/FAQother.html
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#27
I found this letter of clarification which seems to make the distinction to deal with non-resident permits specifically. Again that's just the way it read to me I like I said I may be wrong though and you may be right, it's always best to err on the side of caution whenever legality may be questionable, that's just the way it read to me personally. This is part of the reason I hate this half-way reciprocity murky crap they try to pull. It seems to me like it says that while PA residents may still apply for a non-resident Utah permit, that it will not be recognized specifically by PA in a non-resident capacity. Again though I am not a lawyer and do not take this as legal advice.

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#28
JustinHEMI;143310 Wrote:I blame union gun owners. This "I have to vote for the union so I just pull the dem lever" bullshit has to stop.

Justin

By the way, this needs fixed. The AG should not have unilateral power to change these agreements.

Justin

This is 100% true. I know people who are in trade unions, and who have become gun owners (thanks to me). They only vote for dems and 9 times out of 10, the dem their union supports also happens to be the dem candidate who is the most pro gun control. Right now their union has a big banner supporting Alyson Schwartz for governor.

It's also funny how unions vote in minorities, and dems in general, yet their members are some of the most racist people I know (DAS, you're excluded). If you don't believe me, go spend some time in a bar in the Mayfair section of Philadelphia.
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I'd also like to mention I find it ironic how Kane won the AG position because she ran on protecting PA citizens against the "bully" governor in Harrisburg right now. From what I have seen and experienced thus far, it seems like Kane has done more to restrict PA citizens' rights and allow corruption to grow than the "bully" in Harrisburg.
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#30
IANAL From what I have read on the matter AG Kane does not have the Authority to do what was done. So if in fact the law was Violated by changing the Resiprocity agreement, wouldn't that make any Arrest a Preemption Violation? Is AG Kane the sole Pennsylvania Legislature??


** A little piece I found on the Preemption law***
The myriad of local firearm laws makes compliance very difficult and nearly impossible for responsible gun owners. This creates a situation where gun owners and sportsmen have difficulty even knowing about certain laws, much less understanding them. HB 2011 will correct this problem by preventing localities from imposing ordinances more restrictive than laws passed by the Pennsylvania Legislature by allowing anyone adversely affected by an ordinance, resolution, regulation, rule or practice to file suit against the county, municipality or township. An individual affected may also be awarded reasonable expenses by the court if the court rules in their favor or the regulation is repealed after the lawsuit is filed but before the final determination is made***



How can AG Kane just Pass, change or Amend Laws without the Pa. Legislature??
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