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PA Tops the Nation in Dealer Lost/Stolen Firearms
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http://www.philly.com/philly/news/politi...alers.html

More firearms are lost or stolen from gun dealers in Pennsylvania than anywhere else in the country.

A new report from the U.S. Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives says 1,502 guns were lost or stolen from federally licensed Pennsylvania gun dealers in 2012, the highest total in the nation.
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For the TL;DR folk:

Don't misread the lost/stolen as private citizen lost/stolen. PA comes behind Texas in that figure which makes sense because gun ownership in PA is actually higher than usual compared to the average state, Texas per capita gun ownership is actually lower than PA's but TX has way more population so the lost/stolen numbers come out as expected.


The ATF coming out and saying that PA tops the list for gun dealer shrinkage is an eyebrow-raiser.

That would seem to indicate that gun dealers have too many employees on staff who are causing lift. [Come on how many of you actually think it's customers doing most of the lift behind those locked glass cases?]
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It is alarming and I'm not sure what to think of it. The problem is we can only speculate what is going on, there are no hard facts as to what the problem is.

Quote:A lot of retail stores are not aware of 100 percent of inventory 100 percent of the time

That's an excuse not a valid reason. If you can't track your inventory then you are not doing your job as a business owner, let alone an FFL holder. Honestly I think if somebody cites this as a reason why something is missing from their inventory then their license should be revoked. The reason is you either did something illegal yourself, you hired somebody else who is doing something illegal, or somebody bypassed whatever security practices are in place in your store and they walked out the door with it. I don't blame a dealer for the last two, bad people do bad things, but at least admit to it instead of throwing your hands up saying "hey I can't keep track of everything."
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csmith;106241 Wrote:It is alarming and I'm not sure what to think of it. The problem is we can only speculate what is going on, there are no hard facts as to what the problem is.

Quote:A lot of retail stores are not aware of 100 percent of inventory 100 percent of the time

That's an excuse not a valid reason. If you can't track your inventory then you are not doing your job as a business owner, let alone an FFL holder. Honestly I think if somebody cites this as a reason why something is missing from their inventory then their license should be revoked. The reason is you either did something illegal yourself, you hired somebody else who is doing something illegal, or somebody bypassed whatever security practices are in place in your store and they walked out the door with it. I don't blame a dealer for the last two, bad people do bad things, but at least admit to it instead of throwing your hands up saying "hey I can't keep track of everything."


I am not a dealer, but I do have a background in accounting. For guns that vary in price frequently, buying prices change nearly daily, and lots of product runs up into the thousands, I would expect the inventory system would be LIFO or Explicit Unit, anything where I recognize the accural costs I paid to acquire the inventory up front, because gun dealers usually don't have to appease a bunch of stock market investors and it makes more sense to pull these costs up early and often for tax purposes.

So for Unit you'd be keeping a pretty tight lid on each item... tagging them, for some using barcodes or manually PUC'ing. Same goes for parts.

This is quite alarming that there's that much lift going on. Yes we're a fairly large state, with very dense urban pockets, a fairly substantial population... but Texas is vast, highly populated with many more major cities than we have and way many more gun dealers and their total reported lift is lower.

Makes ya wonder.
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I would be much more interested in the in the percentage of guns lost or stolen as relates to total inventory.

That would take into account population, numbers of gun owners, total inventory, etc. A breakdown by county would be good.

Given PA's population, and that of Texas, I am not surprised.
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MrPeanut;106497 Wrote:I would be much more interested in the in the percentage of guns lost or stolen as relates to total inventory.

That would take into account population, numbers of gun owners, total inventory, etc. A breakdown by county would be good.

Given PA's population, and that of Texas, I am not surprised.

I too would like to see it broken down by county. I'm also curious to the number of places that sell guns in PA/TX vs many of the other states. I bet you'd find that the number of stores directly correlates to the number of thefts.
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streaker69;106502 Wrote:
MrPeanut;106497 Wrote:I would be much more interested in the in the percentage of guns lost or stolen as relates to total inventory.

That would take into account population, numbers of gun owners, total inventory, etc. A breakdown by county would be good.

Given PA's population, and that of Texas, I am not surprised.

I too would like to see it broken down by county. I'm also curious to the number of places that sell guns in PA/TX vs many of the other states. I bet you'd find that the number of stores directly correlates to the number of thefts.

Remember the drama behind Colisimo's store which was DIRECTLY across from the Gun Permit Unit?

I wonder if there's any more of that shit going on with other dealers.
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I'd like to see a similar report about the number of firearms that have gone missing from the evidence lockers in PD's across the country.

I also remember reading a report a few years ago about the number of firearms the various federal agencies have lost in recent years. That was in the thousands if I recall properly.
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I'm a dealer and I keep track of EVERYTHING. Of course I'm a little OC when it comes to organization. The ATF visited my shop a few weeks ago and said some of the larger dealers like Cabelas will have like 8 guns unaccounted for. The officer then said, "Oh that's actually doing pretty good for missing only 8 guns." Of course I'm like, "WTF?"

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shademtarmory;106537 Wrote:I'm a dealer and I keep track of EVERYTHING. Of course I'm a little OC when it comes to organization. The ATF visited my shop a few weeks ago and said some of the larger dealers like Cabelas will have like 8 guns unaccounted for. The officer then said, "Oh that's actually doing pretty good for missing only 8 guns." Of course I'm like, "WTF?"

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Holy crap... that's like $4-$8k of merchandise. I don't know retail, but even for a big store like Cabelas that seems kind of high to me, especially for firearms that would be under close observation.
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